Trophies > Achievements?

December 9th, 2009 at 9:00 am · 51 Comments

Oh, I know, Miss Indestructible Cheerleader, that's how I feel about trophies too.

I know, Miss Indestructible Cheerleader, that's how I feel about trophies too.

Author’s Note: This article was inspired by Greg Miller’s rant about trophy awesomeness at IGN’s Game Scoop podcast, episode 117.   Turns out, he later wrote an article about how he thinks trophies are better.  I wholeheartedly agree.

There, I said it.  Let the storm commence!

Let me explain.  I was a PC gamer until joining this site, and then I started off with a 360.  I started with a 360 because there weren”t too many games on the PS3 that weren’t on a 360, and I was turned off by the PS3 price tag (little did I know Microsoft was bilking me out of more in the end, but that’s another conversation).  I remember actually laughing out loud when I heard about Sony’s “trophy” initiative, which sounded like a cheap knock off of the Xbox achievement concept.

Now who’s laughing?

When I eventually broke down on my birthday and bought a PS3 in June, I started hesitantly with inFamous and Uncharted and got hooked pretty quickly.  As the host of the Single Player podcast, you should know by now that I wasn’t a big multiplayer Haloz kind-of-guy, so I started playing all my multiplatform titles on a PS3 for the single player.

After spending time with both systems and both e-penis bragging right denominations I declare that Trophies are superior.  Here’s why, after the jump!

Leveling the Virtual Playing Field: When you start off on Xbox Live with your annual $50 subscription fee (thanks Microsoft), your Gamertag is a wimpy little e-penis, limp and flaccid.  You play through a few games and rack up a few hundred points of achievements pretty easily.  But when you look at Gamertags of those people who have been thousand-pointing titles since the start, those 70-80K gamerscore numbers seem like impossible numbers to catch up with.

When I first started getting trophies, it only took a few games to gain a few PS3 “trophy levels”.  There are dozens of people in my friends list who range in level between 4-8, with a variety of trophy counts.  The highest trophy level in the world right now is 27, and now that I’m sitting at 11, I feel like I’m grind leveling some micro-RPG.  As impossible as it actually is, there’s a feeling like I could catch up if I really, really wanted to.  And when I say “really, really”, I mean get divorced and become a trust-fund baby when rich Uncle Morty kicks the bucket, never working a day for the rest of my life.

Platinum Trophies: Brilliant.  An achievement for getting all the achievements in the game, and it’s the biggest and hardest achievement to get.  While Xbox is working on getting their 1000 point avatar awards program working, if I manage to get 700 out of 1000 points on an Xbox title, there’s really no motivation other than that of being a perfectionist/completionist to get all 1000 points.  But when I’m looking at doing a single run through of a PSN title and getting 70% of the trophies, I immediately think to myself, “I’m so close to getting a platinum, I wonder how hard the rest of them are?”  Games I would typically shelve or return are getting second and third playthroughs for that damn platinum trophy.

Feeling of Accomplishment: Did you know that getting every ending in Dragon Age is worth 25 gamerscore?  Does that feel like an achievement to you, when I watched the credits for Eat Lead: The Return of Matt Hazard and got 60 points? And even then, does that feel like you’re getting anywhere when you’re staring at people with 80,000 gamerscore?  Quick answer: no.

That same accomplishment in Dragon Age is a bronze trophy (which is actually crappy, hmph, thought this would be at least a silver), which you can display proudly as a separate achievement in your “trophy case”.  That level of distinction makes you feel like you’ve actually accomplished something, as opposed to just throwing a handful of points into the morass that is your gamerscore.

I know that the Xbots will come a-fraggin’ now, defending their beloved system as loud as their keyboard capslock can shout.  I actually would love to hear counter-arguments, but right now, I’m a platinum-plated whore.




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Categories: Editorial · PlayStation 3 · Xbox 360

  • cynicalmonkey

    The trophy case idea is something xbox needs to adopt, like a medals section. Saying I have 14k achievements does little as who is gonna scroll through and see the high points of my x-penis. but a little area where they can see the ten I am most proud of would be something worth adding.

  • Cloudx

    Completely agree, i played Sonic’s ultimate genesis collection and RE5 till 100% just because i saw the platinum trophy. i think the platinum is what drives a person to that certain completion.

  • Dark Archon

    Yeah, I can’t be bothered 1000G-ing games on the 360. What’s the point. I don’t get anything for doing that anyway and the more G you get in a game, the harder it gets to get more. Might as well just start a new game and grind another 500G.
    It’s different for the PS3, where you actually get a Platinum Trophy :) and you actually feel like you completed something.

  • http://www.IGN.com Greg

    I don’t know whether this is a coincidence or not but this is very similar to IGN’s just-published article here: http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/105/1052005p1.html
    Some good writing though. A very enjoyable read. I whole heartedly agree with it’s entirety :)

    • Mace

      Thats the same one ShanghaiSix mentioned in the article.

  • http://forums.sarcasticgamer.com/member.php?u=1059 Droozy

    You totally hit the mark with the 700 GS versus 70% completion. I have a ton of games on xbox that I have no intrest in replaying, to yeild the 1000/1000. Also I like the fact that If I don’t want to purchuse DLC, I can still get the platinum trophy.

    On the other side of the coin….. SONY Made a huge mistake on not forcing the devs to make sure their game has said trophies. I have 6 or 7 PS games like MGS4, that ive played thru 3 to 4 times yet I have nothing to show for it.

    • Pulviriza

      That’s because the games were released before trophies existed. Although with some, I think GH:WT, it might be because red octane are lazy.

  • Tweep.

    Didn’t know there was a trophy case… boots up PS3 and swears.

  • http://www.talkingship.com Jitterbug

    For whatever reason, the gamerscore thing works better for me. I actually DO like trying to get 1000 points out of a game. This is really only because the vast majority of online games that I play are on the 360. I like the online system far better there, so having a higher gamerscore there increases my gamer penis more then having trophies does.

  • mj23dean

    Personally I like MS’s point system better than Sony’s. You know everything starts with 1000. Trophy’s just seem kind of all over the place. The trophy case is a great idea though, wish MS had something like this. I go to http://www.trueachievements.com and there they let you display your achievements your proud of.

    I don’t really know too much about sony’s trophy’s since I haven’t really touched my PS3 for a while I know I got a couple for Uncharted, and Pixel Junk Eden but those were for doing mundane things. Are there any that force you to play the game differently playing the game in a way you normally wouldn’t, like in AC2 I had throw sand in like 4-5 guys faces at once.

    • Quinstar

      Multiplatform games give you trophies for the same things you get achievements for. There is no difference between what you have to do to get a trophy or what you have to do to get an achievement. The only major difference is the platinum trophies since there is no equivalent on the achievement side.

  • http://twitter.com/ShanghaiSix ShanghaiSix

    Shit. I heard Greg Miller talking about it on his last podcast and decided to weigh in; I didn’t realize that he wrote an article about it as well.

    Lovely.

    Thanks for the link though, Greg.

    • profsa

      yeah Greg kinda mentioned the article during the podcast.

  • http://twitter.com/ShanghaiSix ShanghaiSix

    I’m presuming it’s only coincidence that your name is Greg and your link goes to IGN.com…right?

    lol

  • GameJunk-ee

    You God Damned PS3 fanboy. I can’t believe SG has sunk to this level… everyone knows the 360 kicks ass up one side of the PS3 and down the other. The only thing the PS3 is better at is taking up space and wasting your hard earned money.

    Trophies are yet another lame-assed copycat attempt by Sony to rip off one of the most successful things brought to gaming this decade. Who in the hell cares if you get a trophy for getting all the rest of the trophies??? Oh, if you want to be the best of the ***LOSERS*** then I guess ***YOU*** do… my bad. Knock yourself out.

    Why do I even read the crap that goes up on this site? I feel like you intentionally write crap articles like this to attract the Sony fanboys to your site… guess what? The 360 fans like the fact that this site is so 360-centric. We like that you used to mock the PS3 all the time. Trophies… better than gamerscore?!?! Jesus… what’s it like having your head shoved so far up your ass your cheeks are resting on your shoulders?

    • j3ster izz back

      sounds like someone is more than just a game junkie try legit arguments that showcase your intelligence…

      • GameJunk-ee

        Wait, what’s his argument? You get a platinum trophy for getting all the other trophies? You get an extra digit for getting all the achievements in a 360 game. Is a virtual trophy really that important? Do you sit around and compare trophy counts with your PS3 buddies? Talk about e-penis measurements…
        .
        I’m just saying, this site used to have some gamer credibility but now it’s going downhill. Ignoring that the PS3 is shit except for a maybe couple exclusives does that to a site and you all know it.

    • NeonSkull

      Sony took the achievement idea from the 360 and just made it better. Why do you have an issue this

      • GameJunk-ee

        I don’t see how it’s better other than “here’s a trophy for getting all the other trophies”. I mean that’s like saying “let me extend your e-penis for having an e-penis”. Bigger e-penis is better? If that’s the idea, then… well… yay?

        I guess if this entire article boils down to getting a trophy for getting all the other trophies, then fine. I also like corned beef hash and fried eggs. I’m pretty sure those two ideas rank equally. Mmm… corned beef hash. Screw it, I’m hungry. Who cares about platinum trophies?!?!

      • NeonSkull

        for me being able to look at somebodies trophy list and seeing how many of each trophy they have gives me an basic idea of the type of gamer they are. If they have a high level and lots of bronze and silver trophies I can see they play a lot of games but tend not to finish one before moving on to the next(typically a pod caster who plays a lot to stay current) vs say somebody whos level is lower but has a lot of gold and platinums which would to me say they were more into finishing the games they have and like a challenge. Then you get people who are just trophies whores and are playing easy games just for platinum’s.
        When I look at somebodies gamerscore it tells me very little other than if they play a lot or don’t play a lot, a big gamer score to me just says somebody is a bit sad and does nothing but play on their xbox360.

  • Intense Degree

    Ahhh, is the 360 fanboy getting upset because someone’s expressing a positive opinion about another system?

  • Killazilla

    In response to the the gap between highest trophy level and yourself vs gamerscore and others I feel it needs to be said that this could just be because the Trophy system came over a year (or two?) after achievements. Obviously xbox gamers have had more time to get a larger “score.” Not being a PS3 owner I can’t really say I know how the trophy system works but just wanted to throw that out there.

  • http://twitter.com/ShanghaiSix ShanghaiSix

    GameJunkee,
    So were you going to give an argument as to WHY achievements are better, or are you just going to kick and scream?

    And yes, I am a PS3 fan boy, but only because Microsoft has lost me as a fan.

    • GameJunk-ee

      Well, Achievements/gamerscore were done first and I think you’ve failed to point out how/why Trophies are any better. I mean if your entire argument is that you get “one more” for getting all the rest, then that’s a weak reason to write an article about it.
      .
      Gamerscore as an aggregate is useless. 1000GS in TMNT isn’t the same as 1000GS in MW2, but that’s the same with a platinum trophy in SingStar not being the same as a platinum trophy in MGS4. Oh wait, there ARE no trophies in MGS4. Okay, Killzone 2.
      .
      Sony needs to bring more to the table if they’re going to blatantly copy an idea and from what I can see, they haven’t. There are websites out there that translate your trophies into a “gamerscore” just like on the 360.
      .
      Sony copied and didn’t really improve. THAT is why Achievements are better. They innovated and haven’t been bested.
      .
      Long Live Green!

  • http://twitter.com/ShanghaiSix ShanghaiSix

    I would seriously like someone to tell me why they believe the achievement system is a better way to do meta game scoring. I’m up for discussion.

  • http://twitter.com/ShanghaiSix ShanghaiSix

    Better, Gamejunkee. I can work with that.

    I underlined the three reasons in my article as to why I feel trophies are better system.

    Just because something is first doesn’t make it better: many times, someone will take something and improve on the original. I feel Sony has done so in this case.

    Well, it works on me, anyway.

    CAVEAT: Nowhere here does this mean I hate the 360. But to give you some idea where my head is at, I’m one of those folks who has MW2 on the PS3…for the platinum.

  • mj23dean

    I, personally prefer MS’s point system. I know it has flaws like some games having easy 1000. I know people on my friend list look through to see what achievements I have to see which are tough and which ones were easy.

    Also seeing the 1000 gs by certain games still means something, like any of the COD games you see a 1000 by those games you know that person has beaten the game on Veteran and has some skills.

    I’ll admit a trophy case would be convenient so you could just post the beat the game on veteran achievement.

    Gamejunkee brings up somewhat of good point many early games don’t have trophies. While I know some companies patched their games to have trophies. Do all PS3 games that are released now have trophies. Are they required? If not then shame on sony.

    • NeonSkull

      they are now required on all games released.

  • Vexrog

    I think steam achievements are the bast because you can see the percentage of people who have them, make each hard achievement seem more rewarding as you are now in the cool kids club for l4d2 or something.

  • Chubbaluphigous

    The trophies are one of the main reasons why I’m thinking of getting Bayonetta on the PS3. I know it looks better on the 360, but I would rather get the trophies than the achievements.

  • viklove

    You know, I went into this article thinking “They’re the same,” but now, I feel like it would be cool with trophies if I could show that I played through to all the endings in Mass Effect, which I can’t do with gamerscore. Maybe the new avatar awards will fix this?

  • PastorTroy210

    Here’s my 2 cents: They’re both useless.

    Seeing somebody with a high gamerscore (and God knows why I’m looking at this guy’s card anyway) really only means one of two things: This guy’s a loser or he’s been playing awhile. IF I am intrigued, I’ll look to see what games he’s played, and seeing the amount of gamerscore for certain games WILL tell me what kind of gamer this guy is. I don’t need to see a platinum trophy to know that getting 1000 points in MW2 is hard. I don’t need to see one to know that 1k in Borderlands requires tons of playtime. The Simpsons Game? Don’t care. You see, I can make these observations because I’M SMART.

    The visual stimulation and immediate knowledge gained from seeing the Platinum trophy is only for those who can’t infer that 100% MEANS EVERYTHING. If I see something with 100% of anything, I see perfection. I don’t need to see 100% and a shiny bauble next to it. The number’s enough.

    If anything, Microsoft’s way is at least easier to access than the PS3′s. One button push, and BAM gamerscore already displayed. If you really want to see what games they’ve played, it immediately compares the games YOU have to the games HE has. This direct comparison puts things into perspective for you. But then again, everything’s easier on the 360. I can’t think of one thing that’s easier on PS3 than 360, I’m up for any takers.

    In the end, though, I could care less about gamerscore. If you have 80k gamerscore and I come at you with my 14k in MW2, I don’t think that extra 66k is gonna stop my M16 from popping you in the face. People who flaunt gamerscore, IMO, are losers.

    Gimme my 2 cents back.

    • Ollycity

      I agree with a few of your points PastorTroy, and I am a 360 fanboy, but you could’ve made an intelligent and valid argument had you not been so AGGRESSIVE.

      Could Shanghai respond to his post, while ignoring the catty remarks?

      • PastorTroy210

        Heh, I did come off kinda mean there, but my feelings on Gamerscore is kinda hostile in general. I just don’t see a point for it, and it causes unnecessary jackassery that I don’t like dealing with, just look at GameJunkee. Him and his stupid argument indirectly made mine more complex. But I assure you, I’m really nice.

        Just to prove I’m not a 360 fanboy, I’d like to point out that I have a Wii, a DS, and am planning to get a PS3 for Christmas. Uncharted 2, man. Too good to pass up.

  • NeonSkull

    getting online easier on ps3, just plug in and go no need to pay the man.
    browsing the web easier.

  • PastorTroy210

    Well, I don’t consider it being easier, seeing as how going through that convoluted interface is much harder than 360′s, and easier does not equal cheaper.
    About browsing the web being easier on PS3 than 360, it can’t be easier than something that doesn’t exist! :3

  • Crisis

    IT’S NOT AN E-PENIS IF YOU CAN’T FAP WITH IT.

    • instant

      lol… your comment made me giggle so hard I farted a little bit…

      I guess when you boast your GS or trophy list that counts as fapping your e-penis

      • http://pcmutiny.wordpress.com sink257

        What the?

  • PastorTroy210

    See here, this is a very sad story that partially accounts for my dislike of gamerscore in general:
    http://kotaku.com/5422154/achievement-chore-she-plays-for-gamerscore-whether-its-fun-or-not
    Look what it makes people do.

  • http://Www.youtube.com/inf3rnalslave NubWithATub

    Why is everyone getting a boner over virtual numbers?

  • http://sarcasticgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=1650 Artemas

    Trophies or achievements ? They’re both pretty much the same thing it’s really just preference as to how you wanted it presented, in the form of numbers or..trophies. I prefer achievements simply because of the variation they offer, instead of just having Bronze, silver, gold, and platinum, you get a whole array of numbers that frequently show the difficulty, more accurately. Admit abley that come close to the .1 of a review score

  • Pulviriza

    I think I love you Shanghai, PC to PS3? Amazing.

  • blades144

    I must say I am all about Achievements. I NEED the easy way to know where I am at in numbers, bottom line. I have turned into a bit of an achievement whore, and a man whore for that matter (with the ladies Frawlz so back off). It started alot like with that kotaku article above, a bet with a friend. So now if the same game comes out for 360 or PS3, I buy the 360 by default.

  • http://twitter.com/ShanghaiSix ShanghaiSix

    Pulviriza:
    I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not. My reason for that was the PC market is shrinking, and there are a lot more gamers here at SG with one of the consoles for community gaming.

    PastorTroy:
    Good find with the article, but I’m not THAT bad. I have a very addictive personality; when I try something and like it, next thing I know, I’m gorging on it. I’ve actually had thoughts while trophy-ing like “Gosh, I hope they carry my score over when the PS4 comes out” and the like.

    I also find that trophy hunting helps me remember games more vividly. Particularly difficult trophies to get will stick in my head later. I will usually remember the storyline of Infamous, but the fact I had to kick three guys off of a roof at the same time for a trophy is one of the things that will stick with me for that game.

    I don’t know what I would/will do if 360 comes up with a way to show the world quickly that you’ve cleared a game. I will have quite the dilemma on my hands. Guess I’ll rotate back and forth.

    At the end of the day, yes, it is about e-penis. But SG is a community where people regularly have dick measuring contests, so why not have the biggest MFer in the crowd?

  • http://twitter.com/ShanghaiSix ShanghaiSix

    Man, we’re putting up those “Lono” numbers with this one. I need to start shit more often.

  • Cruithne

    Microsoft pulled a masterstroke when they introduced achievments to games, even though I was sceptical at first it’s such a simple idea that really enhances your gaming.
    Sure Sony copied them but so what? A good idea is a good idea.
    like the article i think the trophy system is an improvement on the achievement system for pretty much the reasons mentioned. I’d like Microsoft to revise their system to be more in line with Sony’s, as someone with both concsoles i think it’s more fun the PS3 way.
    Whether it’s Achievements or trophies, the fact is i get more enjoyment out of my games for them being there, instead of one big victory to aim for you have lots of different things to win.

  • Reece

    I have a 360, I like achievements but at the same time big meh. Whatever suits you dude theres no right or wrong

  • foti

    i think the whole platinum versus 1000gp will be will done away with once something is in place to reward maxing out a game on the 360, but as of now yes there is no purpose other than the bigger number. but all in all i dont care about achievements/trophies.

  • http://youtube.com/inf3rnalslave MattJC

    maybe microsoft will give you your money back when you get 1000g on a game. then i mite actually care

  • psyco skull

    mmmm looks fmailiar (EJEM EJEM IGN!!!)