Made this for Mikey to defend the crap graphics on the Wii.

But isn't the wii all about the fun factor and spreading the joy to all those who don't normally play video games? I don't think casual gamers care too much about graphics, and it's a lot easier for them to swing a virtual racket then try to control the dragon in lair :D

Shane I agree with you a bit on what you said. But it also kinda offended me. You see, Wii has a very large audience, and this audience consist of 2 groups, The Casuals and the Hardcore. Both these groups have been loved the Wii since the begining and the Hardcore group has came to learn graphics do not matter. Its gameplay gameplay, GAMEPLAY.

Lono, I want you to know that I like the Wii, and it is my favorite console, but I am in no way, shape or form a fanboy. I enjoy all three of this generations platforms. They all have their own traits that make them great. And I am not defending the graphics of the Wii, I am not saying they are awesome. I am simply saying they dont matter. Its stupid to base the fun factor of a game off its graphics. The reason you play a game is because its fun. Do you only play games with good graphics? Are these the only games you enjoy? Well if so, you are not a true gamer. True gamers play games, because we enjoy them, not because they look pretty.

No they probably don't because who the hell wants to use good graphics compared to excellent gameplay? Who agrees with me?

Are you saying, Excellent gameplay is more important then Excellent graphics? If so then yes you are 100% right.

Yes I am. I mean I wouldn't mind at least mediocore (I think i spelled that wrong) graphics but as long as the gameplay is great and addicitive (like bejewled) I will stick with that game.

Well its good to here some true gamers are still out there. And you are right somewhat about the graphics. The games that are on Wii should only be rated by the gameplay that excercise. Because thats why the Wii is here. To prove graphics dont matter. And if you look at its sells I think it is proving a valid point.

The Wii graphics do kind of suck. but it doesnt matter.

The Wii I think is meant to be a FUN machine, much like a pair of firm ladies breasts.

The games are to be tickled, with your hands firmly on your hard Wiimote.

I know that when caressing at your stiff gaming wand, that the face (or graphics) of the lady no longer matter.

It's all about the gameplay and reaching the end of the level (which can get a little messy)

Official Wii cleaning wipes anyone!

The Other "next gen" consoles have big knobs sticking out of the front of their controllers and I don't like to touch mens knobs, so its a choice between an ugly looking woman (probably from Essex. Pug face too much tan. You know the type)
Or
An attractive looking man with a funny shaped knob

The choice is yours.

I hope this clears everything up, and I expect it has!

Well its good to here some true gamers are still out there. And you are right somewhat about the graphics. The games that are on Wii should only be rated by the gameplay that excercise. Because thats why the Wii is here. To prove graphics dont matter. And if you look at its sells I think it is proving a valid point.

the wii isnt an exerise machine! that is a gimmick but my mum says it is. Can anyone expain why someone had to go to hospital while he played wii sports for 15 hours[/B] straight. I mean who the hell would think that the wii is a cheap exercise machine (no offense if i offend you)! The only people that think that is the newspaper reporters cos they are liars (no offense if u r a news reporter urself)

If you say that only true gamers like the wii because only true gamers like gameplay over graphics is wrong. You've framed the question wrong and well, you're just wrong.

NOBODY favors one over the other. People want both. They want a pretty game that has great gameplay. Wii games, for the most part, look like crap and play like crap. A wii game with tight controls is few and far between. Wii sports isn't even a game its a demo for motion controls and only fun in 15 minute increments. That's all well and good, but i'd like some substance with my games.

Oh and Mikey, when you spend all day declaring your love for a game console online and write multiple posts about a game console that doesn't give a crap about you... you might be a fanboy. (Stolen directly from Doc)

If you say that only true gamers like the wii because only true gamers like gameplay over graphics is wrong. You've framed the question wrong and well, you're just wrong.

NOBODY favors one over the other. People want both. They want a pretty game that has great gameplay. Wii games, for the most part, look like crap and play like crap. A wii game with tight controls is few and far between. Wii sports isn't even a game its a demo for motion controls and only fun in 15 minute increments. That's all well and good, but i'd like some substance with my games.

Oh and Mikey, when you spend all day declaring your love for a game console online and write multiple posts about a game console that doesn't give a crap about you... you might be a fanboy. (Stolen directly from Doc)

I dont really give a crap about graphics only as long as i can see wtf i am doing i am ok with it and i prefer gameplay over graphics because gameplay is what makes a game a game.

I dont really give a crap about graphics only as long as i can see wtf i am doing i am ok with it and i prefer gameplay over graphics because gameplay is what makes a game a game.

Then maybe pong is your game gideon.

no i prefer something i can see lono. also someone please explain to that, who cares about good graphics as long as it looks great and plays great it is a game isnt it?

who cares about good graphics as long as it looks great



Contradicting yourself in the same sentence! well done! :D

I have a Nintendo Wii and an Xbox 360. However you can pound the gameplay drum all you want because If I’m playing a game I want it to look good and also play good, like Lonno said it’s best to have both. Now with any multiplatform game, I will always get it for the 360 over the Wii because it looks better. Unless its madden then it’s just an overall better game.

I got the Nintendo Wii just so me and my mates can have laugh when they come round and we have a few beers, it is fun it is interactive but all I find is that we play the demo that is Wii sports.

Casuals and Hardcore gamers is a FAKE term. It is only used by game makers to sell games and gamers to feel self important and entitled on forums like this. There are no Casuals and Hardcore gamers, there are just gamers. People just use them as word shields to hide behind because they're arguments are weak.

Shane I agree with you a bit on what you said. But it also kinda offended me. You see, Wii has a very large audience, and this audience consist of 2 groups, The Casuals and the Hardcore. Both these groups have been loved the Wii since the begining and the Hardcore group has came to learn graphics do not matter. Its gameplay gameplay, GAMEPLAY.


I offended you? :D

We're talking about computer games, it's not like I insulted your mother.

I need to clear somethings up

Mikey Says- The games that are on Wii should only be rated by the gameplay that excercise. This a typo! It should say rated by the gameplay they excercise. I dont actually mean excercise, its a figure of speech.


Lono Says- If you say that only true gamers like the wii because only true gamers like gameplay over graphics is wrongGamers have their preference in consoles and thats all good. Just because you dont like Wii doesnt make you any less of a gamer. What makes you less of a gamer is say "Gameplay doesnt matter as much as Graphics, or I consider graphics first when I choose a game.. You've framed the question wrong and well, you're just wrong. I dont think I framed it wrong at all, I think you just took it the way you wanted to take it.

I have a nintendo wii and the graphics do suck on it. It's really frustrating when I have a ps2 that can support 1080p graphics (and does).

The issue to me isn't the argument in of graphics vs. game play. The issue is that the Wii has yet to really prove this to be true. The best games on the Wii are the ones with the best graphics. The one exception to this is Wii Sports, the demo that came with the game. That's hardly evidence enough that game play matters, graphics don't.

In the end I really wish gamers everywhere would pull their heads out of their asses and stop defending systems and companies and start demanding better quality. Start demanding that the Wii use the SD card as actual memory. Tell Nintendo that an old weather channel and news is not online content. The list could co on and on.

Raynes, the thing is, we dont care if the graphics qualty isnt as good as 360 and PS3, I mean sure they should at least try to make it look decent, but all that matters is how the game plays.

I have a nintendo wii and the graphics do suck on it. It's really frustrating when I have a ps2 that can support 1080p graphics (and does).

The issue to me isn't the argument in of graphics vs. game play. The issue is that the Wii has yet to really prove this to be true. The best games on the Wii are the ones with the best graphics. The one exception to this is Wii Sports, the demo that came with the game. That's hardly evidence enough that game play matters, graphics don't.

In the end I really wish gamers everywhere would pull their heads out of their asses and stop defending systems and companies and start demanding better quality. Start demanding that the Wii use the SD card as actual memory. Tell Nintendo that an old weather channel and news is not online content. The list could co on and on.

well done raynes, you've renewed my faith in the posters...

Mikey, You keep saying that and no one is saying Graphics are better then gameplay. raynes said that there are no games on the Wii that show off this great gameplay you keep talking about and you keep repeating the same thing over and over

Yeah, and I am trying to get in through your head. But I am done arguing this. Anyone wanna argue about something different?

NO ONE IS DISAGREEING WITH YOU ABOUT THE GRAPHICS THING! You aren't even listen to what people are saying.

Raynes, the thing is, we dont care if the graphics qualty isnt as good as 360 and PS3, I mean sure they should at least try to make it look decent, but all that matters is how the game plays.

Well "we" would include I, since I own a Wii. That aside, why shouldn't Wii owners expect the same level graphics as the 360 and the PS3? If the PS2 can do it with technology that is 5+ years old, the Wii sure as hell should be able to do it. However since Nintendo has brainwashed the masses into thinking HD games aren't that important, I won't argue that point anymore.

This means the burden is on Nintendo to prove what they are selling. That being game play is key, not graphics. So far I haven't seen that be the case yet. Instead of games being produced with decent game play, we get a few first party Nintendo titles that have nice graphics and decent game play, a shit load of PS2 ports that have a new control scheme thrown on it, or a bunch of DS games with a graphic face lift.

The part that pisses me off is I don't see it getting any better. For products due out in the next year Nintendo has promised the following:

-A light gun and game to go with it.
-A fitness board and "game" to go with it.
-Mario Kart with actual online play. In other words a DS game with technology that has been around for 6 years on other systems.
-A rehash of a N64 fighting game (Smash Brothers)
-Another Super Mario game.

Did Wii owners yell at Nintendo to come up with something new and interesting? Did they stop Reggie and ask him why there is no mention of fixing the most obvious Wii problems? (Like having to exit out of the wii shop channel, open the Internet channel, and surf the web to watch a preview of a VC game, instead of just having a link in the shop channel). No instead they just sat their like the idiots they have become and cheer for any scrap of decent gaming Nintendo throws at them.

Gamers (and not just Nintendo fans) need to pull their heads out of their asses. Stop arguing that the Wii is better for this reason, or the PS3 is better for that reason. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft spend billions to do that. Start directing that passion to the game companies and tell them put up or shut up. Game play is better than graphics, show me beyond Wii Sports. The PS3 can produce games better than anything ever imagined, come out with something that isn't done on any other system (and I don't mean more polygons). The 360 is a quality console and worth my money, show me one that lasts and doesn't need a warranty. Prove to me that my money is better spent with your console.

I guess what it really comes down to is that defending companies like gamers seem to do, does nothing in end but send the message that substandard is ok. As long as gamers keep this up, we are the ones who loose.

Raynes. You're right on the money. We're the ones that lose.

Most people get very defensive when someone comes out and questions them about their choices.

If I've bought something (anything), and someone comes along and says "that's shit, why did you waste your money on that?", I take it personally and I (might) start to justify the reasons by overlooking the negatives.

I'm not saying I overkill it like Dumb and Dumber over there, but I'm definitely less interested in hearing the negatives of something if the person saying it has started by insulting me (whether they realise they've done so or not).

I don't consider myself a Wii fanboy. The fact is, I bought the Nintendo Wii to play Zelda (Just like I bought an XBox for Fable, a PS for FF VII, and plan to buy a 360 for Mass Effect). And I do still think my points were relevant in that other thread about next-gen.

Wait, I've kind of gone off the point:
In the end, if we can't look past our own pride and see the faults we'll always be left short in the future.

This is how I see it:
Great Gameplay= Wii
Great Graphics=PS3
Great Gameplay and Graphics:Xbox 360 and PC
Why get one when you can get both?

Yea I'm pretty happy about being primarily a PC gamer.
So far I haven't been too let down by the available titles. As I said above though, I will have to buy a 360 Mass Effect (fingers are still crossed that they announce a PC version though).

i just think that Nintendo are really strapped for idea's, they are just really abusing their mascots (Mario in particular) i mean each game hasn't been really much different from the past few, and before you get all uppity i own a Wii and have been a Nintendo fan since i got my SNES, i mean even Zelda on the Wii wasn't as good as its N64 ancestors (more so Ocarina Of Time as opposed to Majora's Mask) and i had big hopes for that game
i mean we have so many Wii's its not funny, we literally running out of places to put them
guess most people in Australia have realized that at the moment the Wii isn't really worth the 400
the only game that gets played on my Wii is Mario Party (and thats only by my girlfriend and her friends) otherwise i play my 360
and i don't see myself buying many more Wii games for a long time (unless my girlfriend decides she wants one)

actually firestorm makes a good point because they cost £179 in UK which is the same price of the PSP at launch. Now this may sound a bit hypocritical but they are pieces of ****ing metal strapped on together, shove some gimmicks on and then call it a ****ing games machine! Why defend the wii when it is a ****ing piece of metal! the graphics are shit, the gameplay breaks your arms and the games are so ****ing crap but the games are sold for full price! i have seen wii's for £250 at my local CeX before and now they are £180 because no-one wants to buy the pieces of shit! stop trying to win a war that you cant win wii fanboys!

Also I would rather play on a DS because it doesnt break my ****ing arms when i move around vigouresly(Spelt that Wrong)!
So why try to win a console war you can't win nintendo? just give the ****ing crown to 360!

Both arguments have excellent points. True, what a game is mainly about is gameplay. But who wants to play a game that looks totally crap? I mean, if you really think it's only gameplay that matters in a game, go play some Pong. Or Donkey Kong. Those have excellent gameplay. However, graphics alone do not make the game. If you have a game that looks almost real, that is absolutely no guarantee (Not saying you said it was, Lono) that it is the best game of all time. However, most gamers want a mixture of both. (Again, like Lono said.) Most people do NOT visit old games. They don't go back and play something like Mario Bros, unless they like revisiting the days of yore. Gameplay and Graphics must work together to make a game. Without either one, the game is off-balanced and (in most cases) will not be a good game.

Now as to the Wii, I've played one several times, and have played the 360 and PS3 about as many. (I'm a PC and DS gamer, really.) Although the Wii's graphics are not excellent, I really do feel the Wii has a "pick-up, put-down" feel to it. It's meant for people who want to just play a bit of video games at the end of their day. (Notice I didn't say a rest at the end of their day, because quite frankly the Wii wears me out.) The Wii has caused a split in the gaming world. Those who like the new control system, and those who stick to their controls no matter what. This is a new millenium, a time for new ideas. If they don't sell, fine. If people prefer a beautiful game to a game with mediocre graphics, or vice versa, who really cares? Gaming is and has always been about the fun of the game. The Wii is fun. The 360 is fun. This feud is over nothing. Join hands with your brothers on the other side of the wall and embrace them. This is the Twenty-First century. Gaming will never be the same.

Both arguments have excellent points. True, what a game is mainly about is gameplay. But who wants to play a game that looks totally crap? I mean, if you really think it's only gameplay that matters in a game, go play some Pong. Or Donkey Kong. Those have excellent gameplay. However, graphics alone do not make the game. If you have a game that looks almost real, that is absolutely no guarantee (Not saying you said it was, Lono) that it is the best game of all time. However, most gamers want a mixture of both. (Again, like Lono said.) Most people do NOT visit old games. They don't go back and play something like Mario Bros, unless they like revisiting the days of yore. Gameplay and Graphics must work together to make a game. Without either one, the game is off-balanced and (in most cases) will not be a good game.

Now as to the Wii, I've played one several times, and have played the 360 and PS3 about as many. (I'm a PC and DS gamer, really.) Although the Wii's graphics are not excellent, I really do feel the Wii has a "pick-up, put-down" feel to it. It's meant for people who want to just play a bit of video games at the end of their day. (Notice I didn't say a rest at the end of their day, because quite frankly the Wii wears me out.) The Wii has caused a split in the gaming world. Those who like the new control system, and those who stick to their controls no matter what. This is a new millenium, a time for new ideas. If they don't sell, fine. If people prefer a beautiful game to a game with mediocre graphics, or vice versa, who really cares? Gaming is and has always been about the fun of the game. The Wii is fun. The 360 is fun. This feud is over nothing. Join hands with your brothers on the other side of the wall and embrace them. This is the Twenty-First century. Gaming will never be the same.

Actually i have to agree with that and then why doesn't the stupid shitty game console makers agree with that speech.
Great one Acheron!!!! That is what gaming is!!

So here is the post where I say the complete truth about everything.

Wii:
The Wii is a excellent console for me because, I dont play games that much. Every once in a while I will throw in WiiSports play it for an hour and then I wont turn on my Wii again for a month. I will be playing it a lot more coming this Winter. SSBB will be occupying a lot of time. And then their is a couple other games I am look forward to. The main thing I like about Wii is that, it turned a lot of people who didnt play games, into gamers.

360:
This console a great selection of games, which it should since its approching its 2 year anniversary. The games have good graphics and most have good gameplay. But I dont ever play this system, because its at my other parents house.

PS3:
I like this console, but I dont own one. Little Big planet will be awesome, I like the idea of "Home". And the graphics are just amazing. I cant say much else.


The main reason i have been defending Nintendo is because I know they arent going to let me down. I know that there going to do something by the end of next year to make me glad that I defended them and bought their console (I do enjoy Wii right now btw, I just want something huge to happen). Maybe not, but I hope so. So to end this, I am going to say Gameplay is more important then graphics, and it seems we all agree on this. And I do agree with some of you. Graphics are a important part of the game. To me though, they dont need to me awesome like 360 and PS3. they can be something simple like cel-shaded, or graphics like metroid. They dont need to be like Gran Tursimo 5. I'm not saying I wouldnt like them to be that, but I just dont need it.

Made this for Mikey to defend the crap graphics on the Wii.

Maybe beacuse the grapchis have never been above ps2 level? Maybe beacuse we know cube was more powerful than ps2. so wii is more powerful than cube.

Dont be a fanboy either....

I highly doubt Mikey has touched his Wii in awhile, just like PS3 fanboys. All they do is sit on teh interwebz and defend 'their' console. If they really cared so much about 'their' console then they would spend more time playing it then arguing how 'awesome' it is.

Edit:
Look what I found.
Every once in a while I will throw in WiiSports play it for an hour and then I wont turn on my Wii again for a month.

So my conclusion is that Mikey is just sitting here arguing about the Wii because it is the console he owns. I don't know that many 360 owners who will turn on their 360, play Bioshock for an hour, and not touch it for a month.

Do you know why you don't touch it for a month Mikey? No, not because you're not a gamer, because if you weren't a gamer then you wouldn't be on here defending the Wii. It's because it isn't that fun after the first 2 days. My friend had the same problem with the Wii. He got it, beat Zelda, then never turned it on again. So we sold it for $300 (back when it was selling like crach) and he got a 360 premium and we play all the time together now using xbox live.

Actually i have to agree with that and then why doesn't the stupid shitty game console makers agree with that speech.
Great one Acheron!!!! That is what gaming is!!

Flase most causal market dosent care for grapchis.

EX: wow look at those ps3 grapchis... when there was a ps2 game in the ps3. really show how manny people know.

Seriously umpire, please read Rothbarts Rant #9. Pretty please!

Seriously umpire, please read Rothbarts Rant #9. Pretty please!

why should i when its not even worth reading? when i know your already wrong...

hmmm its a waste of my time

I highly doubt Mikey has touched his Wii in awhile, just like PS3 fanboys. All they do is sit on teh interwebz and defend 'their' console. If they really cared so much about 'their' console then they would spend more time playing it then arguing how 'awesome' it is.

Edit:
Look what I found.


So my conclusion is that Mikey is just sitting here arguing about the Wii because it is the console he owns. I don't know that many 360 owners who will turn on their 360, play Bioshock for an hour, and not touch it for a month.

Do you know why you don't touch it for a month Mikey? No, not because you're not a gamer, because if you weren't a gamer then you wouldn't be on here defending the Wii. It's because it isn't that fun after the first 2 days. My friend had the same problem with the Wii. He got it, beat Zelda, then never turned it on again. So we sold it for $300 (back when it was selling like crach) and he got a 360 premium and we play all the time together now using xbox live.

you can keep on doubthing that dosent mean your right or wrong. that dosent mean its not fun.... that just a pull crap lie

If you say that only true gamers like the wii because only true gamers like gameplay over graphics is wrong. You've framed the question wrong and well, you're just wrong.

NOBODY favors one over the other. People want both. They want a pretty game that has great gameplay. Wii games, for the most part, look like crap and play like crap. A wii game with tight controls is few and far between. Wii sports isn't even a game its a demo for motion controls and only fun in 15 minute increments. That's all well and good, but i'd like some substance with my games.

Oh and Mikey, when you spend all day declaring your love for a game console online and write multiple posts about a game console that doesn't give a crap about you... you might be a fanboy. (Stolen directly from Doc)


i can tell you dont on wii calling the crap and all that :|

Well "we" would include I, since I own a Wii. That aside, why shouldn't Wii owners expect the same level graphics as the 360 and the PS3? If the PS2 can do it with technology that is 5+ years old, the Wii sure as hell should be able to do it. However since Nintendo has brainwashed the masses into thinking HD games aren't that important, I won't argue that point anymore.

This means the burden is on Nintendo to prove what they are selling. That being game play is key, not graphics. So far I haven't seen that be the case yet. Instead of games being produced with decent game play, we get a few first party Nintendo titles that have nice graphics and decent game play, a shit load of PS2 ports that have a new control scheme thrown on it, or a bunch of DS games with a graphic face lift.

The part that pisses me off is I don't see it getting any better. For products due out in the next year Nintendo has promised the following:

-A light gun and game to go with it.
-A fitness board and "game" to go with it.
-Mario Kart with actual online play. In other words a DS game with technology that has been around for 6 years on other systems.
-A rehash of a N64 fighting game (Smash Brothers)
-Another Super Mario game.

Did Wii owners yell at Nintendo to come up with something new and interesting? Did they stop Reggie and ask him why there is no mention of fixing the most obvious Wii problems? (Like having to exit out of the wii shop channel, open the Internet channel, and surf the web to watch a preview of a VC game, instead of just having a link in the shop channel). No instead they just sat their like the idiots they have become and cheer for any scrap of decent gaming Nintendo throws at them.

Gamers (and not just Nintendo fans) need to pull their heads out of their asses. Stop arguing that the Wii is better for this reason, or the PS3 is better for that reason. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft spend billions to do that. Start directing that passion to the game companies and tell them put up or shut up. Game play is better than graphics, show me beyond Wii Sports. The PS3 can produce games better than anything ever imagined, come out with something that isn't done on any other system (and I don't mean more polygons). The 360 is a quality console and worth my money, show me one that lasts and doesn't need a warranty. Prove to me that my money is better spent with your console.

I guess what it really comes down to is that defending companies like gamers seem to do, does nothing in end but send the message that substandard is ok. As long as gamers keep this up, we are the ones who loose.

you cant compare ps2 to current gen and to make re4 almost the same grapchis for cube they had to do plenty of other things take out some trees, change lighinting in game take some other stuff out.

you cant compare a wii system to a system that have HD that just basid and wrong. and wii is as powerful as xbox. oh and the rest of your rant i wont bother reading

raynes
Your kidding yourself if ps2 can do the same as ps3 360 wii. cube or even xbox.
Nintendo has brainwash people? ok so since they didnt want hd that means there wrong? oh ok.. No your the one brainwashed and nintendo has already stated hd will come next gen.

Thats not nintendo fault that is 3rd party rushing and surpirse the wii doing so well. also godfather, red steel, rayman rabbits, and madden 07 elibites are great 3rd party games. even if you dont like red steel. i had no problem over it.

oh no nintendo did light gun back than...
so what sony done some fitness crap too
your saying its going to be the same as ds? i didnt know the ds had a wheel to use.. i didnt know that wow... your just trolling
supersmash brothers bawl is one of the best fighinting games of all time. there plenty of other compiens doing reashes let me name some for both compines

halo 3, halo wars, racent and clank sports games, gta... manhunt 2... (sequal) dont act like nintendo the only one who does this.

its a platfrom for a mario game the last platfrom for mario came n64.

So who cares you got to exist something like that? now your complaing about something stupid
the only ------ is you

why do they prove the money the spend needs to be better than what you think? your complaing about stupid things that shouldnt even matter. hack i might as well complain about xbl not have interent browser

Reason people defeing consoles is your putting the word bad on it. without knowing all console pro and cons.

all systme have pro and cons like it or not. but complaing about the wii... for this stupid reason show me your were never a gamer to begin with.

Umpire, I appreciate you supporting the Wii and everything, but STFU.

@ the guy who quoted me for saying I dont play my Wii. I use to be a hardcore gamer, then I lost spare time, because of a job and all. When I do When I have time, I work through a few levels of Zelda or do some fitness test. When SSBB comes out, I will play that every second I get. So please dont insult me, I havent insulted you.

raynes
Your kidding yourself if ps2 can do the same as ps3 360 wii. cube or even xbox.
Nintendo has brainwash people? ok so since they didnt want hd that means there wrong? oh ok.. No your the one brainwashed and nintendo has already stated hd will come next gen.

Thats not nintendo fault that is 3rd party rushing and surpirse the wii doing so well. also godfather, red steel, rayman rabbits, and madden 07 elibites are great 3rd party games. even if you dont like red steel. i had no problem over it.

oh no nintendo did light gun back than...
so what sony done some fitness crap too
your saying its going to be the same as ds? i didnt know the ds had a wheel to use.. i didnt know that wow... your just trolling
supersmash brothers bawl is one of the best fighinting games of all time. there plenty of other compiens doing reashes let me name some for both compines

halo 3, halo wars, racent and clank sports games, gta... manhunt 2... (sequal) dont act like nintendo the only one who does this.

its a platfrom for a mario game the last platfrom for mario came n64.

So who cares you got to exist something like that? now your complaing about something stupid
the only ------ is you

why do they prove the money the spend needs to be better than what you think? your complaing about stupid things that shouldnt even matter. hack i might as well complain about xbl not have interent browser

Reason people defeing consoles is your putting the word bad on it. without knowing all console pro and cons.

all systme have pro and cons like it or not. but complaing about the wii... for this stupid reason show me your were never a gamer to begin with.

The PS2 can't push out 1080? You might want to know what you are talking about before you post, because it in fact does. Tourist Trophy plays in 1080i. So the PS2 can in fact play HD games. If the link doesn't work, I would be happy to take a picture of the menu option while the game is running on my HD TV.

'Technophiles will proudly display the game on 1080i HD-capable televisions."
http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2/tourist-trophy-the-real-riding-simulator/700754p1.html

So again if the ps2, which is now 7 years old can do HD games. Then I see no reason why the Wii which is a year old can't do the same thing.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not even sure what the hell you are talking about.

Umpire, I appreciate you supporting the Wii and everything, but STFU.

@ the guy who quoted me for saying I dont play my Wii. I use to be a hardcore gamer, then I lost spare time, because of a job and all. When I do When I have time, I work through a few levels of Zelda or do some fitness test. When SSBB comes out, I will play that every second I get. So please dont insult me, I havent insulted you.


why should i stfu? ill be waitting

The PS2 can't push out 1080? You might want to know what you are talking about before you post, because it in fact does. Tourist Trophy plays in 1080i. So the PS2 can in fact play HD games. If the link doesn't work, I would be happy to take a picture of the menu option while the game is running on my HD TV.

'Technophiles will proudly display the game on 1080i HD-capable televisions."
http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2/tourist-trophy-the-real-riding-simulator/700754p1.html

So again if the ps2, which is now 7 years old can do HD games. Then I see no reason why the Wii which is a year old can't do the same thing.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not even sure what the hell you are talking about.

i never said the ps2 couldnt push 1080 now your just putting damm words in my motuh.

and all system are pro and cons. and till you show me prove that ps2 can do 1080 i wont beleive your for a single word.

as i stated all system have pro and cons. you cant COMPARE PS2 TO CURRENT GEN.

and nintendo said at the time deabting about hd 05% owned them in the usa. switch it around next year it be 50% so you see it called a business move.
Even if nintendo does get in to hd next year i could really care less. hd is nothing speical...

Umpire what country do you live in? And if you live in USA and speak english, how old are you?

ok i am gonna say this cos it sounds appropiate
it is a ****ing metal piece of shit, it is the same as another console with some shitty gimmicks and it will break your arms faster than you can laugh at the atrocity machine and u will be begging at the game counter for a 360 instead cos give it up, u aint gonna get this argument won mikey and them cos i agree with lono and you guys but u need both and give that ****ing gaming crown over to 360 cos it deserves it! DAMN YOU NINTENDO for breakng our arms with your wii!

ok i am gonna say this cos it sounds appropiate
it is a ******* metal piece of shit, it is the same as another console with some shitty gimmicks and it will break your arms faster than you can laugh at the atrocity machine and u will be begging at the game counter for a 360 instead cos give it up, u aint gonna get this argument won mikey and them cos i agree with lono and you guys but u need both and give that ****ing gaming crown over to 360 cos it deserves it! DAMN YOU NINTENDO for breakng our arms with your wii!


thats no appropate. wii controller dosent break your arm. its too light... also if you think that gimmick hd , online and tilit on ps2 controller is a gimmick. The only thing that has broken lets see 360 systems itself..

How the hell do you brek your arm using a wiiremote? someone explain this to me...

Mikey why do you want to know where i live? my spelling and grammer is not great. But that beacuse i have disbality

Umpire what country do you live in? And if you live in USA and speak english, how old are you?

speaking and writting diffrent ;)

thats no appropate. wii controller dosent break your arm. its too light... also if you think that gimmick hd , online and tilit on ps2 controller is a gimmick. The only thing that has broken lets see 360 systems itself..

How the hell do you brek your arm using a wiiremote? someone explain this to me...

Mikey why do you want to know where i live? my spelling and grammer is not great. But that beacuse i have disbality

people have broken their arms using the wii or their tv. so why dont u go to ur local NHS and go see if anyone has come in because the strained or broke their arm playing their wii
And by breaking their tv i mean breaking their tv with their wiimote

people have broken their arms using the wii or their tv. so why dont u go to ur local NHS and go see if anyone has come in because the strained or broke their arm playing their wii
And by breaking their tv i mean breaking their tv with their wiimote

If you beleive that i feel sorry for you since i no its a BS lie. there is no way you can break your arm with a wii. if that happens thats your own fault.

NHS? your making crapppy shit up

I think my eyes are actually starting to bleed...

This thread should be called why do people on the internet yell at each other when no one listens and use talking points that would put politicians to shame

i never said the ps2 couldnt push 1080 now your just putting damm words in my motuh.

and all system are pro and cons. and till you show me prove that ps2 can do 1080 i wont beleive your for a single word.

as i stated all system have pro and cons. you cant COMPARE PS2 TO CURRENT GEN.

and nintendo said at the time deabting about hd 05% owned them in the usa. switch it around next year it be 50% so you see it called a business move.
Even if nintendo does get in to hd next year i could really care less. hd is nothing speical...

I was going to write up a reply to this with facts and logic. Then I realized how much of a waste of time that would be. It's like arguing with a 4 year old over a toy.

How the hell did gideon and umpire get internet access at the pre-school? Nap time boys! Then cookies and milk.

I don't think cookies are a good idea dude. If these guys are like this when straight, I'd hate to see them on a sugar rush.

Just as a general hint, you can go to a persons profile and ignore them. It replaces their posts with a lovely message that says "This message is hidden because (fill in the blank) is on your ignore list." Not that I am suggesting anyone use it. :)

Well, that wouldn't be any fun if we blocked them, now would it?

techailly we are agruing over a toy wii,ds, 360,ps3, any console or pc is a toy.

calling me a pre-school? i been using logic i guess dosent fit to some pepople fat heads here.

oh well But i have own the following for consoles wii, ds, ps2,ps,n64,gba,gbc.nes sega gennies, 360...

so i am really consoless right now

It was a joke based on your poor grammar, not your arguments. Well, those are awful too. :D

Well, that wouldn't be any fun if we blocked them, now would it?

Depends on your idea of fun. :)

It was a joke based on your poor grammar, not your arguments. Well, those are awful too. :D

lame ass one at best ....

and you seen i have ALREADY ****ING TOLD YOU WHY I CANT SPELL

Would people stop defending this bullshit! IT IS A ****ING PIECE OF ****ING METAL WITH PLASTIC!!! You expect people to buy a Wii if it is shit? YES THEY ****ING BUY ThE WRONG ONE!!! Give that ****ing crown to the ****ing 360 and we will all sleep well

Would people stop defending this bullshit! IT IS A ****ING PIECE OF ****ING METAL WITH PLASTIC!!! You expect people to buy a Wii if it is shit? YES THEY ****ING BUY ThE WRONG ONE!!! Give that ****ing crown to the ****ing 360 and we will all sleep well

This has got to be nominated for "Worst Video Game Post of the Year." .....

Don't forget XXXXXXXXX of the year...

I think the wii's graphics are just fine, they aren't pretty but they aren't Crappy.

I just chose to side with the wii for a couple of reasons the biggest 3 are

1.The First Party games (Nintendo and Friends)
2.The virtual console (I sold all my old games and now I want'em back)
3.I'm the only one in my group of Friends that supports the Nintendo and Microsoft xbox groups (everybody else is a Sony boy, poor me)

I kinda like how the wii is starting to turn into a home arcade though with the zapper and a port of ghost coming to wii.:)

Would people stop defending this bullshit! IT IS A ****ING PIECE OF ****ING METAL WITH PLASTIC!!! You expect people to buy a Wii if it is shit? YES THEY ****ING BUY ThE WRONG ONE!!! Give that ****ing crown to the ****ing 360 and we will all sleep well

Did you and Miss Teen USA South Carolina attend the same school or have the same classes together?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA

Sometimes obnoxious laughter just fits doesn't it?

excellent entertainment.






ps.: I mean this thread not the wii

Wii fanboys don't defend our crappy graphics, we thrive around them. I mean, just look at Paper Mario, Animal Crossing, and WarioWare. It's clear we just look at how fun it is to play. Any Wiiboy attempting to defend the Wii's graphics is a moron. However, let it be said that it's less than of the price of the PS3. It's not like I expected anything to begin with.

And I started reading back, but I got scared, so forgive me if we've been off this topic for a bit.

Did you and Miss Teen USA South Carolina attend the same school or have the same classes together?

hahaha lol you just made my day mate

****ing hell most of the people in this argument are talking bullshit.
i actually have a wii (unlike most people in this thread it seems who start there posts with i have a wii but....) first of all the graphics, they are not crappy, shit or retarded they are just nowhere near as good as the 360 (cannot comment on ps3 never played on one). the gameplay the gameplay is fun, simple as that and quite frankly if you get tired of it that is usually because people are way too enthusiastic. i also have a 360 and i play that more than my wii (i got my 360 and bout half a year after my wii) now i want to tell you my cons and pros of the wii and 360.

360:

Pros
It has awesome graphics and gameplay and gets the best versions of the game like madden where as ps3 fans get kinda screwd over and get cheezy ports of games like the darkness. It also has the best average of awesome games like dead rising, mass effect, lost planet, halo 3. The 360 is also very addictive because of bullshit like gamerscore and achievments before you try arguing with me about this let me just say achievments are pretty fun but such a waste of friggin time i mean really when u see a guy on live with like 99,999 gamerscore what do you think i cannot read other peoples minds but its usually "what a friggin loser" or "woah thats a **** load of gamerscore" thatts about its not as if you remember him or anything. if your wondering why this is a pro let me explain this partcular pro is FOR the the 360 not its fans its a con for his fans in full sense of the word.Thee xbox live has to be said is also the best online gaming pretty much ever.

Cons
read the last pro. another con for the 360 is the prices of games or just complete a rip off though it has to be said the console it self is a pretty good deal. Pretty boring control pad (dont get me wrong im not saying its crap, its actually pretty good its just boring and not much of a step forward to the old one cept wirlessness.) Its also one noisy mother ****er sounds like hell. Has to be said it is also one of the most glitchiest freeziest red lights of doomiest console and overheats like mad and if you put it on its side it scratches the discs and sometimes does that if you leave a game in there. apart from that it is a brilliant console (no sarcasm at all)

Wii:

Pros
fun as hell. adds new meaning to the word satisfaction when u blow some random japenese guy. apart with your shotgun reload and scream "SINARA MOTHER ****ER" (also on lost planet you can say tht as well and they can actually hear you :) but they cant cus no japenese guys can afford A FRUCKING PREMIUM) feels most realistic( notice i said feels not looks) a very good console for picking up once in a while and playing with ur mates has to be said best party console ever. cheap as ****, basically you will not regret your choice (you get what you pay for)

Cons
graphics are in here because frankly they could have been improved hugely but in the end it doesnt even matter that much.
not the sort of console where you can play with you left foot, with one hand on your balls and the other in nachos. After hours of play wich is kinda hard (cos most of its games arent addictive)it also can get tiring. Not many good games out at the moment ( tho the new super smash bros and metroid should remidy this)



360 overall rating: years of fun, but you have to put up with some annoying bullshit (3 year old live players, people that buy the legendary edition of halo and laggers) you should get one all the same worth the money:

Wii:as i said earlier you get what you pay for cheap, fun but wont last if you aint got decent games.


you dont like what i say then fooey on you, this is my opinion and well its pretty accurate. if you don't agree play me on live (Sagemaster E)

Man I read yor post, and all I can make of it is that your an ass that can only except that he's right about everything and if anyone disagree's there F'ing retards.

Oh and it was stupid to say your opinion is accurate, of course your gonna think its accurate cause its your opinion.

Sorry for interrupting the topic, but it kinda made me mad reading his post.

I want a console that does everything well, from graphics to gameplay? Why the hell would anybody buy one that only does one? And has no games?

First let me state I do not own a 360 however I have played it, I do however own a wii. Also I could care less what other people opinion is on the consoles, oh and if you are going to diss a console please have some reasons to back it up otherwise many people will ignore your post and likely call you a noob. From what I have seen Sagemaster E has a good description of the wii and 360. I myself being a Wii owner will say this, Metroid prime 3 is a good game with good graphics, SSBB if you visit the site you will see also has good graphics. Now please everyone stop bashing consoles I could care less about some peoples opinions but it gets really annoying reading about how this console is better then this one. ALL CONSOLES HAVE THEIR PROS AND CONS, the wii might not have the greatest graphics but the gameplay is good, the 360 craps out on you alot however it has a good game library, the PS3 has the best graphics however it's lacking a bit in the games department. So there that is my opinion if you don't like it fine I don't really care.

PS3 has the best graphics however it's lacking a bit in the games department.

It's not lacking in the games department compared to teh Wii... Still could do with a lot mroe good games though...

Really? I would say the wii has more games worth playing then the PS3

The PS3 has more games of good quality, the Wii has a a lot less good games than the PS3, but it has two games that are better than any game on the PS3 (MP3, and LoZTP)...

heh, i've played about 13-14 games for the wii, and i still play wii sports the most! hahaha

That game is only fun with friends... And for 4 hours...

you really shouldn't play video games for more than 4 hours at a time anyway. :p

I meant in total... I rarely ever play games more than an hour at a time...

heh, i've played about 13-14 games for the wii, and i still play wii sports the most! hahaha

Thats a sad statement for the Wii. :(

i wont deny that!! i like the system, i love the controller, but damn, it needs some games.... BAD

The wii is shit! I don't know how people can play that shitty console without breaking a tiny muscle or bone! IT IS HARD TO PLAY AND THE GRAPHICS ARE SHIT! give up the crown to 360!

and i've been taking so much shit around here??? it's hard to play? hmm... maybe you should just stick to your 360 and pretend it's the only console ever made... :/

seriously Gideon Stfu you are getting really annoying, anyway the wii does have some good games more then the PS3 anyway.

No... I just proved that wrong a page back... Are you blind?

I wouldn't go as far as to call teh Wii 'shit' though...

No... I just proved that wrong a page back... Are you blind?

You just have to go on, dont ya. You didnt prove anything back there. Are you blind? You are an ass. Just let it go. That arguement went knowwhere. We both think the same thing we did before, so there really was no reason to make up lies.

You just have to go on, dont ya. You didnt prove anything back there. Are you blind? You are an ass. Just let it go. That arguement went knowwhere. We both think the same thing we did before, so there really was no reason to make up lies.

What the **** makes you think I was talking to you? What I said has nothing to do with your bullshit in the power topic...

And your petty little 'arguement' is hardly worth mentioning...

actually you really didn't prove anything you never said what games the PS3 had all you said was
"It's not lacking in the games department compared to teh Wii... Still could do with a lot mroe good games though..." and "The PS3 has more games of good quality, the Wii has a a lot less good games than the PS3, but it has two games that are better than any game on the PS3 (MP3, and LoZTP)..." those were your exact words. so therefore you really didn't prove anything besides those aren't the only 2 good games for the wii there's also Super Paper Mario, and mario strikers charged is also not that bad. Not to metnion SSBB (super smash bros. brawl) is coming out soon so is Mario galaxy.

wow, mario to the rescue

Nintendo needs a new original series. Mario is getting old.

actually you really didn't prove anything you never said what games the PS3 had all you said was
"It's not lacking in the games department compared to teh Wii... Still could do with a lot mroe good games though..." and "The PS3 has more games of good quality, the Wii has a a lot less good games than the PS3, but it has two games that are better than any game on the PS3 (MP3, and LoZTP)..." those were your exact words. so therefore you really didn't prove anything besides those aren't the only 2 good games for the wii there's also Super Paper Mario, and mario strikers charged is also not that bad. Not to metnion SSBB (super smash bros. brawl) is coming out soon so is Mario galaxy.


Those were my exact words, and I'm sticking too them... If you wanted proof all you had to do was ask...

I'll list all the PS3 and Wii games 80% and higher from Gamerankings...

PS3: Title Plat Company Reviews Avg.
Vote Avg
Score
1. Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction PS3 SCEA 1 8.4 93.0%
2. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion PS3 Bethesda Softworks 50 7.7 93.0%
3. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 PS3 Ubisoft 19 8.5 88.5%
4. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock PS3 RedOctane 1 -- 87.5%
5. Resistance: Fall of Man PS3 SCEA 72 7.9 87.4%
6. Virtua Fighter 5 PS3 Sega 45 7.9 87.1%
7. Ninja Gaiden Sigma PS3 Tecmo 47 8.6 86.7%
8. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas PS3 Ubisoft 29 8.0 85.9%
9. NHL 08 PS3 Electronic Arts 10 4.0 85.2%
10. Skate PS3 EA Games 11 4.8 85.1%
11. Warhawk PS3 SCEA 37 7.6 84.1%
12. NBA Street Homecourt PS3 EA Sports Big 27 6.7 83.9%
13. Fight Night Round 3 PS3 EA Sports 37 7.9 83.5%
14. MotorStorm PS3 SCEA 64 8.0 82.7%
15. DiRT PS3 Codemasters 12 7.9 82.4%
16. Sega Rally Revo PS3 Sega 4 6.0 82.2%
17. Madden NFL 08 PS3 EA Sports 24 3.7 82.2%
18. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 PS3 EA Sports 30 6.0 81.9%
19. The Darkness PS3 2K Games 33 7.8 81.7%
20. Medal of Honor: Airborne PS3 Electronic Arts 2 8.7 81.5%
21. NBA 2K7 PS3 2K Sports 25 7.4 81.3%
22. Stranglehold PS3 Midway 4 8.5 81.3%
23. College Hoops 2K7 PS3 2K Sports 8 7.1 81.1%
24. Call of Duty 3 PS3 Activision 45 7.3 80.9%
25. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 PS3 EA Sports 19 9.0 80.7%
26. Heavenly Sword PS3 SCEA 46 8.1 80.7%
27. SingStar PS3 SCEA 2 8.0 80.5%
28. Virtua Tennis 3 PS3 Sega 33 7.5 80.5%
29. FIFA Soccer 08 PS3 EA Sports 6 4.0 80.4%
30. Hot Shots Golf 5 PS3 SCEI 3 7.7 80.3%
31. NHL 2K7 PS3 2K Sports 24 6.3 80.1%
32. NHL 2K8 PS3 Take-Two Interactive 10 1.0 80.0%


Wii: Title Plat Company Reviews Avg.
Vote Avg
Score
1. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess WII Nintendo 76 9.2 94.2%
2. Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition WII Capcom 51 8.7 91.2%
3. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption WII Nintendo 37 8.9 90.7%
4. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock WII RedOctane 1 9.0 87.5%
5. Super Paper Mario WII Nintendo 59 8.9 85.4%
6. Guilty Gear XX Accent Core WII Aksys Games 1 9.7 84.0%
7. Madden NFL 07 WII EA Sports 34 7.8 81.6%
8. WarioWare: Smooth Moves WII Nintendo 60 8.1 81.6%
9. Manhunt 2 WII Rockstar Games 3 8.3 81.3%
10. Trauma Center: Second Opinion WII Atlus Co. 52 8.4 80.3%
11. Dance Dance Revolution Hottest Party WII Konami 1 8.0 80.0%
12. Victorious Boxers: Revolution WII Xseed Games 1 -- 80.0%


You know what I was wrong teh Wii only has one game that's better than any PS3 game, and it's a GCN port...

ok Im going to take alot of the PS3 games you mentioned out because guess what? alot of them are for the 360, PC and wii or ports from the PS2 or other last gen consoles. So now lets see what games to take out of that list:
1. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 PS3 Ubisoft 19 8.5 88.5%
2. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock PS3 RedOctane
3. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion PS3 Bethesda Softworks
4. Virtua Fighter 5 PS3 Sega which is PS2
5. Ninja Gaiden Sigma PS3 Tecmo
6. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas PS3
7. NHL 08 PS3 Electronic Arts
8. Skate PS3 EA Games
9. NBA Street Homecourt PS3
10. Fight Night Round 3 PS3
11. DiRT PS3 Codemasters
12. Madden NFL 08 PS3 EA Sports 24 3.7 82.2%
13. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 PS3 EA Sports 30 6.0 81.9%
14. The Darkness PS3 2K Games 33 7.8 81.7%
15. Medal of Honor: Airborne PS3 Electronic Arts 2 8.7 81.5%
16. NBA 2K7 PS3 2K Sports 25 7.4 81.3%
17. Stranglehold PS3 Midway 4 8.5 81.3%
18. College Hoops 2K7 PS3 2K Sports 8 7.1 81.1%
19. Call of Duty 3 PS3 Activision 45 7.3 80.9%
20. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 PS3 EA Sports 19 9.0 80.7%
21. Virtua Tennis 3 PS3 Sega
22. FIFA Soccer 08 PS3 EA Sports
23. NHL 2K7 PS3 2K Sports
24. NHL 2K8 PS3 Take-Two Interactive
ok so 24 of the games you have just named for the PS3 are ports from PS2 or they are also available for the Wii, 360, or PC. So now lets take a look at what's left for the PS3:
1. Resistance: Fall of Man PS3 SCEA
2. Warhawk PS3 SCEA
3. MotorStorm PS3 SCEA
4. Heavenly Sword PS3 SCEA
5. SingStar PS3 SCEA
6. Hot Shots Golf 5 PS3 SCEI
7. Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction PS3 SCEA
So there the PS3 has only 7 decent games and some of them aren't even that good. The Wii has more then that, and besides you left out a couple of other good wii games. So therefore I have just proved you wrong.

Nope, I counted all the Wii games up to 80% even the ones that were ports, and all the PS3 games up to 80% even if they were ports... This is all according to gamerankings... Duh

If you want to take out all the ports from other consoles though...

PS3:
Title Plat Company Reviews Avg.
Vote Avg
Score
1. Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction PS3 SCEA 1 8.4 93.0%
5. Resistance: Fall of Man PS3 SCEA 72 7.9 87.4%
6. Virtua Fighter 5 PS3 Sega 45 7.9 87.1%
7. Ninja Gaiden Sigma PS3 Tecmo 47 8.6 86.7%
11. Warhawk PS3 SCEA 37 7.6 84.1%
14. MotorStorm PS3 SCEA 64 8.0 82.7%
26. Heavenly Sword PS3 SCEA 46 8.1 80.7%
27. SingStar PS3 SCEA 2 8.0 80.5%
30. Hot Shots Golf 5 PS3 SCEI 3 7.7 80.3%

Wii
Title Plat Company Reviews Avg.
Vote Avg
Score
3. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption WII Nintendo 37 8.9 90.7%
5. Super Paper Mario WII Nintendo 59 8.9 85.4%
8. WarioWare: Smooth Moves WII Nintendo 60 8.1 81.6%
11. Dance Dance Revolution Hottest Party WII Konami 1 8.0 80.0%

The PS3 still wins, so I have no idea what you're on about...

Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Dance Dance Revolution Hottest Pary are both largly expanded remakes instead of ports so i left them in...

Now I am really wondering about this topic, why are Wii owners such sore losers?

you really have to put Twilight princess on the list because on the wii not only is everything reversed but the contros are different

No... Twilight Princess is just a port the GCN game, haveing the world mirrored and different controls doesn't make it less so... It's not liek Ninja Gaiden Sigma where levels have been added and levels remade with tons of new songs, or like DDRHP where there are new songs...

i thought it was ported to the gamecube, not the other way around...

Where the hell did you get that from?

It was developed for the GCN... But Nintendo decided to port it to the Wii since the launch titles were looking pretty meager... Or something like that...

ah i see... i just assumed it was the other way around because of how nice it looks and plays... doesn't feel like a port at all.

I have to go with Douche on this one.

Wii fanboys make me laugh I feel bad that they cant afford a REAL console

what are you talking about? last time I checked the Wii was a real cosnole.

I'm being lazy and not reading all 9 pages of this thread, so if it's been said before, sorry:

Nintendo's said since day one that the Wii is not a system about graphics, but about reaching a new audience with a new style of play.

The system is quite remarkable because of this -- the graphics are identical to a gamecube, yet it doesn't matter. This shows by the fact that every month since launch (or nearly) the Wii (and DS, same principle) have been at the top of the NPD sales charts.

The graphics really don't need defending when the system's capable of bringing gaming to an audience never targeted -- the people who don't care about the graphics.

I find that these threads never really work out well on gaming forums because everyone here is a hardcore gamer. Most Wii players are not hardcore gamers (or practically gamers at all) and so this almost always leads to a heay slant in threads. As hardcore gamers we tend to care about, graphics and power. Casual Gamers do not typically care. We really need some casual gamers on here to describe why they like the wii.

ah i see... i just assumed it was the other way around because of how nice it looks and plays... doesn't feel like a port at all.


Oh, I agree, it's a great game, like RE4 Wii it doesn't feel like a port at all, but it's still a port...

yeah, spudnik not all wii owners are casual gamers, I am not a casual gamer. See I bought the Wii for three reasons Mario, Samus, and Super smash bros. Brawl. There are other games I want but those are the main reason why I bought a wii.

Nintendo should go the Sega route and go 3rd Party...

i think they will soon, the games are just not delivering. i like my wii, but i've played it once in the last month and a half because there are no new good games out for it. when resident evil: UC comes out, we'll definitely get that and be playing it a bunch...

What about Metroid Prime 3?

you know, i haven't played it, but i saw the downloadable trailer for it through the wii... it just looks like.... well the other metroid games which i just wasnt a big fan of. i hear it's pretty good and i also hear that it utilizes the wii remote pretty nicely.

It got 7/10 in Edge... Even though they gave teh first two Primes an Hunters 9, 8, and 8 retrospectivaly..

Fire Emblem is gonna be the best reason to own a Wii

I find that these threads never really work out well on gaming forums because everyone here is a hardcore gamer. Most Wii players are not hardcore gamers (or practically gamers at all) and so this almost always leads to a heay slant in threads. As hardcore gamers we tend to care about, graphics and power. Casual Gamers do not typically care. We really need some casual gamers on here to describe why they like the wii.

Why on earth would we want casual gamers on here as well!! they are already invading my life enough! Most of this "Casual Gaming Audience" would have said computer games are for kids about 12 months ago and now they are all prancing round there living rooms like idiot trying to play a demo of an unresponsive sports game! It scares me to think that every developer is gonna see how much money can be made out of these people by crappy "pick up and play games", and just churn out one after another and forget about the people that made this industry what it is in the first place!

A PSP, 360 and PS3 are for hardcore gamers or just casual ones but if you want a light-hearted alternative you would get a DS or Wii. The graphics are always gonna be shit but this is a shit PS2 dressed up like a Mac (Thank you I Hate This Wii) with games the graphics of an N64 so why just buy this when you can get a 360 and a copy of Halo 3 (played it in costco watford golden game :))

The PSP is not for anyone dude!! How can it be for hardcore gamers... if you try to play it for any decent length of time your fingers seize up and your hands fall off!! I'm glad it comes with a case cos i'd have to spend almost as much time dusting it as i do my PS3.

A PSP, 360 and PS3 are for hardcore gamers or just casual ones but if you want a light-hearted alternative you would get a DS or Wii. The graphics are always gonna be shit but this is a shit PS2 dressed up like a Mac (Thank you I Hate This Wii) with games the graphics of an N64 so why just buy this when you can get a 360 and a copy of Halo 3 (played it in costco watford golden game :))

i dont think anyone doesn't know your opinion on the wii's graphics... you've stated it about 5 times over and over in this thread alone. liking the wii doesn't make you a casual gamer. i still have high hopes for the wii! btw, while i will admit the graphics are nowhere near the 360 or the PS3, they are noticeably better than the gamecube's.

The PSP is not for anyone dude!! How can it be for hardcore gamers... if you try to play it for any decent length of time your fingers seize up and your hands fall off!! I'm glad it comes with a case cos i'd have to spend almost as much time dusting it as i do my PS3.

Like I said in the PS3 forum... You either a) Buy bad games, or b) have hand problems...

The PSP has tons of awesome games...

i think they will [go third party] soon, the games are just not delivering. i like my wii, but i've played it once in the last month and a half because there are no new good games out for it. when resident evil: UC comes out, we'll definitely get that and be playing it a bunch...

There is no chance whatsoever that Nintendo will go Third Party anytime soon - they're selling the Wii like hotcakes, how does that merit the Sega route? Nintendo is thriving money-wise, and unless the Wii just stops selling and the successor to the Wii is a controller with a single button, they won't go the Sega route anytime soon. I don't think any of the console developers will, in this gen or the next.

It's not that hard to defend bad graphics if the game is fun.

Would you rather play Lair, which looks beautiful but plays like crap? Or would you rather play Super Mario Bros., an 8-bit prodigy of entertainment software?

Same argument. As long as Wii games become more than just waggle mini game collections, it is very easy to defend it.

Sure, but in many cases, the games are good-looking AND fun to play, which defeats fun to play with bad graphics. The visuals add to the experience, as is the case in games like Bioshock and Gears of War.

Sorry everyone i did not mean that all Wii owners are casual gamers I merely meant that a majority of them are. Oh and mr Pink I have to agree with you the casual gmaers are starting to piss me off as well. But inorder to get a good grasp on this we need to find out what the majority of the market thinks.

It's not that hard to defend bad graphics if the game is fun.

Would you rather play Lair, which looks beautiful but plays like crap? Or would you rather play Super Mario Bros., an 8-bit prodigy of entertainment software?

Same argument. As long as Wii games become more than just waggle mini game collections, it is very easy to defend it.

I wouldn't play either... I'd play Bioshock, Halo 3, Warhawk and heavenly Sword, games that both play awesome and look awesome... And half of them have awesome good online... Something the Wii really is lacking in...

Sure, but in many cases, the games are good-looking AND fun to play, which defeats fun to play with bad graphics. The visuals add to the experience, as is the case in games like Bioshock and Gears of War.

that's very very biased. you cant really lump all games that are fun to play, but don't have spectacular graphics going against games that are fun to play with great graphics, because it's all what you consider fun. for example; mario 3 is fun, so is halo 3. well they're both fun games so they should be categorized together?

what you think is fun to play, i might not. i think everybody in the world know you will get nothing but whatever microsoft throws out there next, but a lot of people aren't as straight minded about what they play. not saying anything bad about you only liking microsoft products (i dont agree with it, but i'm not going to change your mind, so why try?) but a lot of people have more than one taste in games and the types of games they like.

what you think is fun to play, i might not. i think everybody in the world know you will get nothing but whatever microsoft throws out there next, but a lot of people aren't as straight minded about what they play. not saying anything bad about you only liking microsoft products (i dont agree with it, but i'm not going to change your mind, so why try?) but a lot of people have more than one taste in games and the types of games they like.

I disagree. Just because a person has a certain taste in games doesn't NOT qualify those games as good or on the same level as other games which are near-universally accepted to be good. I mean, I play nearly every Dynasty Warriors game because I'm addicted to leveling-up, but why on earth would I try to convince somebody else that it's a good game? It pretty much blows, but it manages to fulfill my need to build a character.

You seem to be against MS's steady stream of solid, well balanced titles aimed at the 16-32 yr old male demographic, and I don't know why.

i... really don't understand your argument. i whole heartedly disagree with the fact that microsoft puts out a steady stream of well balanced titles... unless you mean well balanced FPS games.

but, like i said, what are you arguing? that most people don't have more than one taste in games they like?

I play all types of games on all types of consoles... But that doesn't meant I have to have bad graphics to have good gameplay...

what? that's not even close to what i was saying either..

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but, like i said, what are you arguing? that most people don't have more than one taste in games they like?

I'm saying that your dislike of Xbox games in no way reflects the actual quality of the games themselves.

i have no dislike for xbox games as a whole... on an individual basis i do, but i don't look at something and say, "microsoft, no thanks." my whole argument had nothing to do with microsoft. it was about he was basically saying all "good" games are in one category. they're not.

do you disagree that most people don't like more than one type of game? or that most people don't have a problem liking games on other consoles than the xbox?

maybe i'm just stupid, but it looked like you responded to my statement with something completely differnet.

what? that's not even close to what i was saying either..

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I know, but I couldn't disern what the hell you were saying, so I took the nearest stab...

hahaha fair enough... i was having difficulty putting my thoughts into words. basically what i was saying is "a game that's fun and has good graphics" isn't necessarily better than a game "that's fun but is lacking graphically."

basically what i was saying is "a game that's fun and has good graphics" isn't necessarily better than a game "that's fun but is lacking graphically."

Yes, that's true but it's a fact that graphical quality adds to the experience and can make it more enjoyable. Sometimes I find it a pain to look back on some last-gen games with what would now be considered god-awful graphics, and that does detract a bit from the experience (there are only a handful of titles which I find actually hard to look at because of graphical quality, but they do exist). Basically, would you rather take Bioshock with Halo 2-quality graphics or with Bioshock-quality graphics?

actually I would like to play Bioshock with Halo 2 graphics because then it would actually run on my computer. Anyway I wouldn't care if the graphics are bad as long as the game is good, unless of course the graphics were god awful.

hahaha fair enough... i was having difficulty putting my thoughts into words. basically what i was saying is "a game that's fun and has good graphics" isn't necessarily better than a game "that's fun but is lacking graphically."

I see... But it's untrue... If both games have equally great gameplay... The one with teh better graphics is easily going to be better... And more fun to play... And easier on teh eyes... It's a win win situation...

I have trouble going past mid PS2 graphics with hurting my eyes...

I have trouble going past mid PS2 graphics with hurting my eyes...

Heh. I'd hate to think what you went through before the PS2 came out. Are you just blind or something from playing all those graphically inferior games? With every new system, you wonder how you survived being stuck with the old one and the crappy graphics. With the Wii, you wonder how you survived without the gameplay. For the umpteenth time, it's not ABOUT the GRAPHICS!!! The unique style of control has furthered quite a few genres, specifically the FPS, imo, and will continue to do more.

Heh. I'd hate to think what you went through before the PS2 came out. Are you just blind or something from playing all those graphically inferior games? With every new system, you wonder how you survived being stuck with the old one and the crappy graphics. With the Wii, you wonder how you survived without the gameplay. For the umpteenth time, it's not ABOUT the GRAPHICS!!! The unique style of control has furthered quite a few genres, specifically the FPS, imo, and will continue to do more.

I got by because I hadn't seen any better... But when I do I can't go back...

Besides Battlefield 1942 and Tribes 2... But those are classics... Mmm... Classics...

I think Zelda Ocarina of Time gave me a Migrane the first time I played it... back in 2005...

Sure sure, Gameplay > Graphics...

But the Wii has neither in worthwhile quantities...

Waggle doesn't instantly make a games gameplay good... You don't even need waggle to have good gameplay... It's just Nintendo's marketing that's making you think you do... Wii fanpeople are so confused...

Waggle doesn't instantly make a games gameplay good... You don't even need waggle to have good gameplay... It's just Nintendo's marketing that's making you think you do... Wii fanpeople are so confused...
Oh, I agree. "Waggle" doesn't force good gameplay on a game, and I'll admit that there is some major crap out there control-wise for the Wii. It's a hit-or-miss system, you either take advantage of the controls, or you screw the game over. I agree that there are great games that don't have "Waggle." In fact, most of the games I like aren't on the Wii. I agree that there are confused Wii fanboys. Just like there are for the 360 and PS3. Nintendo's marketing isn't what makes the gameplay so good. I've had people that have never heard of the Wii play mine and love it. Nintendo's marketing has NOTHING to do with it. It just alerts people to the fact that it exists, so come get it. To put it in your own words, we got by because we hadn't seen any better... but when we do we can't go back...

I see... But it's untrue... If both games have equally great gameplay... The one with teh better graphics is easily going to be better... And more fun to play... And easier on teh eyes... It's a win win situation...

I have trouble going past mid PS2 graphics with hurting my eyes...

but my point is, we're not talking about the same game, one with good graphics, one without. i don't really know how to make it any clearer that you cant just lump all the good games two categories: good games with good graphics and good games with bad graphics.

i mean, the idea of a "good game" is SO vast that you just can't possibly say that all good games with good graphics are better than all the good games with not as good graphics.

Oh, I agree. "Waggle" doesn't force good gameplay on a game, and I'll admit that there is some major crap out there control-wise for the Wii. It's a hit-or-miss system, you either take advantage of the controls, or you screw the game over. I agree that there are great games that don't have "Waggle." In fact, most of the games I like aren't on the Wii. I agree that there are confused Wii fanboys. Just like there are for the 360 and PS3. Nintendo's marketing isn't what makes the gameplay so good. I've had people that have never heard of the Wii play mine and love it. Nintendo's marketing has NOTHING to do with it. It just alerts people to the fact that it exists, so come get it. To put it in your own words, we got by because we hadn't seen any better... but when we do we can't go back...

Wii Sports, Zelda, WarioWare, Metroid Prime 3, Elibits and Resident Evil 4...

The only 6 Wii games that make great use of Waggle, one is a tech demo one of them is a minigame collections are two of them are ports...

And MP3 has gotten consistantly lower scores than it's preddecessors... So does that make it worse than MP1/2 because it has waggle? I dunno, I only know that it's worse...

Waggle is unique, but only when used right, which developers are finding hard to do, maybe the Wii remote isn't just sensative enough? If it's not, then what was the point of implementing it? Wait till teh technology catches up...

Nintendo's marketing is why the sales are so high, they're marketing it too people who like gimmicky stuff because they don't now better... They think wow, I waggle and the stuff happens, and I admit it's entertaining, for a little while...

Until the novelty wears off and you're left wanting some games...

but my point is, we're not talking about the same game, one with good graphics, one without. i don't really know how to make it any clearer that you cant just lump all the good games two categories: good games with good graphics and good games with bad graphics.

i mean, the idea of a "good game" is SO vast that you just can't possibly say that all good games with good graphics are better than all the good games with not as good graphics.

Then what was the point of hahaha fair enough... i was having difficulty putting my thoughts into words. basically what i was saying is "a game that's fun and has good graphics" isn't necessarily better than a game "that's fun but is lacking graphically."

If you can't compare them so easily you shouldn't have bothered...

ok i'll use an example; you cannot convince me that gears of war is a better game than final fantasy 7 (assuming you're playing both for the first time). both are great games, one has better graphics than the other, yet the one with bad graphics is still better, in my opinion anyway.

I played Final Fantasy VII back in the day, bored the hell out of me...

I still own it though... Dunno why I bothered...

So ya, Gears of War is better...

Anyways, if you think FFVII was the better game, even with the old graphics... Than obviously Gears of War isn't as as a game as FFVII at it's heart to you...

Nothing to do with graphics...

Anyways, if you think FFVII was the better game, even with the old graphics... Than obviously Gears of War isn't as as a game as FFVII at it's heart to you...

Nothing to do with graphics...

that, my friend, is my point. has been the whole time. just the fact that you can't look at the whole scenario in black and white.

No offense, but that point was pointless...

Heavenly Sword looks a lot better graphically than Devil May Cry 3, yet I still like the Latter better, because at it's a better game to me at heart...

However lets say there was a Devil May Cry 3 remake, same game, better graphics...

I'm going to like it better...

The fact that gameplay is better than graphics has already been established...

But to claim that in defense of a console seems like a crutch for fanboys. "yes but the gameplay is what really matters" thats all they say to claims of shitty graphics. I am not saying gameplay doesn't matter, because it does matter, but so do graphics, graphics are very important. Graphics are what pulls a gamer in and keeps them visually amazed, gameplay keeps them there and entertained. They go hand in hand to make a great game.

good job at bringing up this almost month-dead thread.

Graphics are what pulls a gamer in

that could be one of the most blindly ignorant things i've ever seen.

what you should have said is "graphics is what pulled me in."

Ok douche lets say your walking through gamestop, you're looking at the things they have and you notice one of the demos running with a beautiful game with great graphics, it perks your interest and you go to investigate, playing the demo you have fun because the gameplay is fun. The graphics are what pulled you in, and the gameplay kept you there.

yes but kiljoy what if the graphics in the demo were good and the gameplay was bad that would put people off

Yeah, my point is they work together to make a good game, if the gameplay sucks then you will walk away, if the graphics suck you may never approach it in the first place.

i wasn't meaning to be rude in my post, but reading it again, it looks like it came off as rude... :p

sorry about that.

still, while i won't say you're a minority, graphics definitely aren't anywhere near the top of my requirements. i'm not saying good graphics are bad by any means, but i don't think they make or break a game is all.

No problem, I like to compare it to an article, the Headline is what they use to grab you (graphics) and the article is what keeps you (gameplay).

Now I know this is a pretty rough analogy, especially considering their are more things to a game then just those two things, and in a game graphics stay with you. So please do not roast me for it.

Hell Graphics and gameplay both rank lower then story for me, I just can't stand blindly going through a game without knowing or caring.

Hell Graphics and gameplay both rank lower then story for me, I just can't stand blindly going through a game without knowing or caring.

completely agree with you there

I don't know about the rest of you, but Metroid Prime: Corruption and Super Mario Galaxy are pretty good shields to defend the Wii's graphics with.

I mean, my God. I played the Galaxy demo today, and the framerate was drop-dead gorgeous. It all looked so smooth and crisp.

I played Metroid Prime 3 I own it for that matter. It is freaking awsome. Oh and Jackor if we are to defend the Wii's graphics then SSBB is the #1 choice for that.

Why can't we have both great gameplay and graphics? Gears of War did it, God of War did it, Ninja Giden Sigma did it, as did plenty of other games on the PS3/360...

From what I see Galaxy, Brawl, and Prime are the only Wii games that are doing it...

I hated Sigma for it's controls, I could never jump right. Either I would go in a wrong direction or do a wall run on accident.

I think the controls were great... Especially responsive, and I never messed up in jumping...

The camera was pretty lame though...

Hell Graphics and gameplay both rank lower then story for me, I just can't stand blindly going through a game without knowing or caring.

I don't mind a crappy story so long as the gameplay is good. Battlefield 2, for example, has an almost non-existent story and yet it's ridiculously awesome and fun. I get freakin' adrenaline rushes playing that game. I love a great story, but great gameplay definitely takes a first place over story for me.

And honestly, I actually prefer amazing graphics over an amazing story. I don't care so much, for example, for Oblivion's story, but I constantly find myself in awe of the beauty of the outdoor environments. They're absolutely amazing. The same goes for Halo 3's water. It's photo-****ing-realistic. It's so organic and real-looking that if the game were based in water, I could mistake it for being real. Another such game was Just Cause. The draw distances and views were the best (other then Crysis) that I'd EVER seen in a game. Ever. It's enough to distract me completely for the game and watch the scenery. That's the kind of achievement that, in my opinion, can overpower an amazing story.

I don't mind a crappy story so long as the gameplay is good. Battlefield 2, for example, has an almost non-existent story and yet it's ridiculously awesome and fun. I get freakin' adrenaline rushes playing that game. I love a great story, but great gameplay definitely takes a first place over story for me.

And honestly, I actually prefer amazing graphics over an amazing story. I don't care so much, for example, for Oblivion's story, but I constantly find myself in awe of the beauty of the outdoor environments. They're absolutely amazing. The same goes for Halo 3's water. It's photo-****ing-realistic. It's so organic and real-looking that if the game were based in water, I could mistake it for being real. Another such game was Just Cause. The draw distances and views were the best (other then Crysis) that I'd EVER seen in a game. Ever. It's enough to distract me completely for the game and watch the scenery. That's the kind of achievement that, in my opinion, can overpower an amazing story.
I would think that type of stuff would enhance the story

I haven't read the rest of the post, but I'll just answer the question posed in the title.

I think one problem with the Wii is that most of the games are taking the wrong route with graphic. They're trying to keep it looking realistic, when they should be taking it someplace else. Look at games like, Okami, Katamari, Viewtiful Joe, Wind Waker, Killer 7. Those games look good by any standard. Why? Because they took a stylized approach to it. Those games can be on standard or HD, and it doesn't really make a big difference because of the way they made them.

Now if more people took that approach to the Wii, and realized that it is not a graphical powerhouse, then we would get gorgeous games on the Wii.

This thread is back!! Lono you suck! lol

Mikey this thread was never deleted

oh i know....I just havent seen it active in a long time.

Yeah, why the hell is this thread so active? It's an outragously lame topic. I vow never to post here...du'oh...again!

the problem is not Wii fanboys. The problem is Nintendo fanboys. People who are dedicated to nintendo will ALWAYS defend anything nintendo does, because to them, nintendo is god. Nintendo fanboys are WAY worse than any other system fanboys, because nintendo is the only company that has really been able to be a truly video game company, therefore producing unruly and psychopathic fanboys.

I don't know sony fanboys are pretty bad, and Halo fanboys are horrible.

I agree, Sony and Microsoft fanboys pale in comparrison to Nintenfags...

ok now that is going to far emophia

Well hey, I got an idea!!! Everyone who doesnt like the Nintendo Wii, DONT COME TO THE Wii FORUMS. That solves the problem right there. You dont have to hear us "Fanboys" and we dont have to hear you.

Because then the Wii forums would be a place of ignorant bliss, a land of sunshine, rainbows, and unicorn farts.

"HA HA! Kiljoy said Farts!"

Psh...

I think people should input their opinion in any forum, whether they hate the PS3, Wii or 360... They should be able to go into each forum and say so, without Mikey or Rothbart freaking out over it...

Farts? Isn't that going a little over the line?

I dont care if you post your opinion or not. But when you start insulting the member here then you going a little far.

Isn't that what these forums are sorta about? Bashing people?

I wasn't insulting anybody... I never called anybody a Nintenfag did I?

Get your brain in gear...

They defend it because they're fanboys. All fanboys do it. What do you expect?

No, forums are not about bashing people. Forums are here to let members of a website discuss things. Bashing=Flaming and most forums do not allow that. This is mostly because once flaming starts it doesnt end.

Emophilia (or whatever your name is) even though you didnt directly insult anyone you know exactly what you meant.

Anyway to anwser this thread's topic....

Wii Fanboys dont defend the Wii's graphics. They simply say they dont really care as much for graphics as they do gameplay. Everyone loves the nextgen graphics of the 360 and PS3, but some people just dont think their neccesary and if they arent included, well thats fine. As long as their are enough good games to keep us occupied when we are bored, then everything is fine. If no one else agrees, then ok, I guess its just my opinion.

I'm not a Wii fanboy, but I think the main reason to play a game is for the gameplay, not the graphics. You could give me the most polished graphics in a game that has no fun, and guess what? I won't get it.

Fun comes before graphics. Every true gamer knows that. This argument is irrelevant.

finally somebody that knows what they are saying steps in

But it's already been said, what's wrong with having both great graphics and great gameplay?

Wii Fanboys dont defend the Wii's graphics. They simply say they dont really care as much for graphics as they do gameplay. Everyone loves the nextgen graphics of the 360 and PS3, but some people just dont think their neccesary and if they arent included, well thats fine.

jesus, for once, i actually agree with something mikey says. although i would have respected his post more, had he only said what i quoted, but still... wade through crap, you sometimes come out with a diamond. :p

I can't hack my Wii... It gets used occasionally when people come over, but otherwise it collects dust.

I don't see why waving your hands around is supposed to enhance gaming at all. Where's the reward? It certainly doesn't make games any more fun. Resi 4 is arguably worse on the wii because of the controls, and I had a memory of that game being pretty? Which leads me onto graphics. Perhaps its the fact I own both a PS3 and 360, that I fail to appreciate any kind of scenarios or people the Wii attempts to render. I was mildly impressed by Red Steel back in December, but that's only because it was leagues ahead of both Zelda and Tony Hawk's.

In short, when comparing the Wii to either the 360 or PS3, there's no doubt that graphics matter. The gameplay isn't more fun by any means, it just requires more effort. I'm sure the Wii's graphical capabilities are decent when you don't have any immediate comparisons to more powerful systems.

I can't hack my Wii... It gets used occasionally when people come over, but otherwise it collects dust.

I don't see why waving your hands around is supposed to enhance gaming at all. Where's the reward? It certainly doesn't make games any more fun. Resi 4 is arguably worse on the wii because of the controls, and I had a memory of that game being pretty? Which leads me onto graphics. Perhaps its the fact I own both a PS3 and 360, that I fail to appreciate any kind of scenarios or people the Wii attempts to render. I was mildly impressed by Red Steel back in December, but that's only because it was leagues ahead of both Zelda and Tony Hawk's.

In short, when comparing the Wii to either the 360 or PS3, there's no doubt that graphics matter. The gameplay isn't more fun by any means, it just requires more effort.I'm sure the Wii's graphical capabilities are decent when you don't have any immediate comparisons to more powerful systems.

Ok...lets here.

What's a better experience, Madden for Wii, or 360 and PS3? Maybe its just me, but I think it would have to be Madden Wii, it's just so much more fun, it feels like your in the game. Madden on 360 and PS3 is just soo original, its the same game we have been playing for atleast the last 7 years. The Wii finally adds more to it and makes it enjoyable to play again. This argument goes for almost all sports games.

Heard of a game called Zack and Wiki? If you have a Wii, go give it a rent, it will change the way you feel about gaming on the Wii. This game is not just a little waggle add in, this game takes the Wii to a new level. Go try it out and see if you dont agree with me. I'm not going to go into much detail about it.

Madden didnt look stunning on the Wii and Zack and Wiki has cel-shaded graphics, but both games played excellently and thats what it really comes down too. Like I said before, we all like pretty graphics, but they arent suppose to make games good. I'll use a agrument I used a while back.

What it better? Gran Turismo games or Need For Speed games? Clearly the anwser here is NFS, they feel better, more options and its just a better experience. We all know though that Gran Turismo games usually have the best graphics possible, especially GT 5. NFS just has a better style of playing. Once again this could just be my opinion, but I have found this to be true with many people.

Gran Turismo is better, stifle your lies!

Your opinion, but I think most people will side with NFS as a better racing series.

I like street races and customization so for me it's NFS

Ok...lets here.

What's a better experience, Madden for Wii, or 360 and PS3? Maybe its just me, but I think it would have to be Madden Wii, it's just so much more fun, it feels like your in the game. Madden on 360 and PS3 is just soo original, its the same game we have been playing for atleast the last 7 years. The Wii finally adds more to it and makes it enjoyable to play again. This argument goes for almost all sports games.

Heard of a game called Zack and Wiki? If you have a Wii, go give it a rent, it will change the way you feel about gaming on the Wii. This game is not just a little waggle add in, this game takes the Wii to a new level. Go try it out and see if you dont agree with me. I'm not going to go into much detail about it.

Madden didnt look stunning on the Wii and Zack and Wiki has cel-shaded graphics, but both games played excellently and thats what it really comes down too. Like I said before, we all like pretty graphics, but they arent suppose to make games good. I'll use a agrument I used a while back.

What it better? Gran Turismo games or Need For Speed games? Clearly the anwser here is NFS, they feel better, more options and its just a better experience. We all know though t