What do y'all think?

right! I don't want to track down an NES just to play one game.

Right, as long as it's NES and SNES era games, if it's anything beyond gamecube/xbox/ps2, then no.

personally, I think that it should be okay, as long as the game has not been released on the virtual console or if it is sold otherwise in its original form. I wonder what Lono thinks, him being in Law and all...

It is legally not possible but in my opinion it must be made legal for all games till the N64 and PSOne era.

What's legally correct isn't always right.
But yeah, aslong as it's up to the N64 era.

What's right isn't always legal.

lol

I'd say it's fine, but are you asking about piracy or playing games you legally own? I hack pokemon games (which i do own), and the best way for me to test my hacks is emulating them.

emulation is neither wrong or good,It depends how you use it.if you get a emulator of a game you don't have then it is illegal,but if you emulate a game you own you can use your emulator as back up if something were to happand to your game.

right! I don't want to track down an NES just to play one game.

Agreed. I think it really depends on the situation you are in.

I use roms and emulators all the time, I mostly use epsxe to play ff7 or ff8 and i have at one point in my life owned both of those games so technically its legal for me to do it..

I think it should be made legal up to and including PS1 Era, I doubt it would ever happen though because sony would be missing out on the precious £3.99 they get for the copies of theme hospital they sell on the psn store....

Right. Theres nothing wrong with Emulation. Both MS and Sony(and many other companies) use emulation. Emulation is legal, roms on the otherhand aren't.

Are ROMs legal if you own the cart/disc still? I know at one time it was...

If the devs arent getting money from the games anymore and the only way to buy them is second hand, I dont see whats wrong with it (downloading roms). XBLA/VC/PSN blur that line though.

Emulation of all the old coin-op arcades you used to play as a kid are great.

Are ROMs legal if you own the cart/disc still? I know at one time it was...

Yes but i think its a bit more complicated then that...I know you are allowed to have the roms as backups and play them
Ah Ok guess im wrong:P
[edit] Legality of emulators:
Most emulators are perfectly legal under United States and international law, protected by laws that cover reverse engineering. However, emulators can be illegal if they use copyrighted code from the original console, computer, or program.

[edit] Legality of ROM images
ROM images are copyrighted code and are protected by international law. The only legal images are homebrew games created by programmers, images released into public domain, or images downloaded with the permission of the copyright holder.

[edit] Common legality myths
24-hour rule: Many emulation download sites like to claim that you can keep unlawfully downloaded ROMs for 24 hours and then delete them, and still "stay legal". This rule has no basis in real law.
Owning the game: Owning the game in its original form does not make downloading a ROM image of it legal, according to the letter of the law. The only fully legal way is to make a backup image yourself using special hardware. But this hardware can be expensive, and many gamers consider it ethically correct to download an image as long as you own the original game

So if you back up your own original, it is legal? As long as you dont distribute it of course!
Also stuff like the BIOS of the orignal are illegal to use aswell.

I try to play most old games on the original carts, but stuff like old arcade classics (MAME) are going to be impossible to get a hold of, without spending an obscene amount of money, and they would take some tracking down aswell.

meh, if it weren't for emulators (and roms) i would never have played Chrono Trigger!

Right. Theres nothing wrong with Emulation. Both MS and Sony(and many other companies) use emulation. Emulation is legal, roms on the otherhand aren't.

As long as you own the original game The whole process is considered legal.

Either way once a game reaches a certain age or generation of gaming then they should no longer have copy protection that stops people form enjoying an older game.

Right. To me, it is the only way to show my son what video games were like back when the arcade was the place to be. My computer is, in sorts, a kind of interactive museum that my son and daughters can use to get in touch with the classic games of history. Mr. Do's Castle, Burgertime, The original Punch Out with the green guy, I couldn't find those games now if I spent 200 lifetimes. And even if I did, I couldn't afford to buy them. This way, they can see what I rave about with my friends when we play TMNT on XBLA.

It is right, so now I can play a crappy Japanese game instead of a crappy American game :thumbsup:

meh, if it weren't for emulators (and roms) i would never have played Chrono Trigger!
Same here, and I wouldn't have played Earthbound either

nintendo are apparently big fans
all vc games are just roms + html files (for the info)
personally, i can see people justifying last gen games
whos going to buy an xbox just to play 1 game (if they own a ps3, for example)
but...i dont think i would buy an snes to play a link to the past : )

It really depends on the case. I mean, if you want to download an emulator for realllly old games that you can't really buy in stores anymore, then I'm all for that. However, if you're just too lazy of a butt to earn the money to buy the game, then

:lol:BURN IN HELL!!!!:lol:

I think it's alright, as long as it is kept under control, and not done an absolute load.
Some forms of emulation should be OK, maybe for instance if they are emulations of games that are not for sale anymore as a new item. But new games? No, not really... :undecided:

Emulation of even newer systems is tough. Emulation generally requires so much EXTRA power vs running on it's original hardware that to, for example, emulate the last generation descently may well require the same gear to run Crysis on ultra high power.

I see nothing wrong with it, in most cases its an extra hassle and if you want to play a game in an environment that is not original more power to you. If the publisher don't like it then release these games again, obviously there is demand for them.

meh, if it weren't for emulators (and roms) i would never have played Chrono Trigger!

Same here.

Does anyone have any examples of court cases where emulation was in question?

And for reference, Emulation for all purposes here means the use of a program to run a game formerly released on a video game system.

I wouldn't say it's right for new games, but games that are maybe just in circulation through trade ins should be fine to emulate. I use a GBC emulator (and sometimes GBA) and I consider it to be right.

Same here, and I wouldn't have played Earthbound either

Same. What, does everyone play JRPGS?... Oh yeah....

Maybe not "Right" but definitely not Wrong. Cheap (you pay NOTHING!) and you can basically get just about every game out there to satisfy all your nostalgic needs.

I don't think emulation is wrong so long as you own a copy of the game. Which, is basically the legal way. My SNES is at my grandparents, and it's almost broken anyways, so I used to rom games that I own. It's how I beat Super Star Wars, 'cause I was able to save.

Now, just stealing games because you're lazy or whatever, that's wrong.
Then again... I'm not the one to talk. I've tried a few JRPGs like Earthbound 3 since it's never going to be released over here...

so it looks like most everyone is in support...

so it looks like most everyone is in support...

Nope, sorry, I was just late to the party. Even if its old, even if its the oldest game out there its still against the law to emulate because its still within 50 years of the death of the owner of the IP. Against the law = wrong. Most forms of emulation [I have nothing against emulating to back up data] is akin to Piracy. Pirated ~scum. Also, just because you own a game on Gameboy Advanced doesn't mean you can steal it for another system. Would that logic not say that you justify pirating GTAIV on the '360 because you already paid for it on the PS3?

Going to agree... but I have to believe a few people would use emulation as I have (like Playing Metroid 2 when I own the cart, but cant get a good quality GBA SP so I can use it).

Nope, sorry, I was just late to the party. Even if its old, even if its the oldest game out there its still against the law to emulate because its still within 50 years of the death of the owner of the IP. Against the law = wrong. Most forms of emulation [I have nothing against emulating to back up data] is akin to Piracy. Pirated ~scum. Also, just because you own a game on Gameboy Advanced doesn't mean you can steal it for another system. Would that logic not say that you justify pirating GTAIV on the '360 because you already paid for it on the PS3?

Then I take back my statement, and you make the best point so far.

i think its ok as long as the game is not in production anyomore and the ip owner doesn't make any money on it then whats the real crime in it your not taking anything from the copyright owner since there not making anything from it anymore so its not really stealing.
Plus i was born the around the same time the ps1 came out so how else can i sample all that snes goodness.

i think its ok as long as the game is not in production anyomore and the ip owner doesn't make any money on it then whats the real crime in it your not taking anything from the copyright owner since there not making anything from it anymore so its not really stealing.
Plus i was born the around the same time the ps1 came out so how else can i sample all that snes goodness.

well, you could purchase a snes and hunt for the games, but that would be to troublesome.

right! I don't want to track down an NES just to play one game.

Yeah.

but what you want and what is legal isn't the same thing...

well, you could purchase a snes and hunt for the games, but that would be to troublesome.

Actually, most games that you want to download are going to be available on services like XBLA/WiiWare/PSN/Steam in the next year or so anyway. The point is that there is still earning potential in the game if you are taking it. Why not write to the company who made it and ask them to make a cheap and dirty port? Someone said it before; if there is a demand, there will be a supply.

I think emulation is alright assuming there is no reasonable way for you to obtain the game legally. For example if i wanted to play Final Fantasy III again it would cost me more than $55 on ebay, and I expect that number to increase within the next 4 hours before the auction ends. Also when the game arrived there is still a chance that it would not work in my snes. And on another note, if I have no chance of being able to afford legitimate games, does that mean I don't deserve the right to play them?

I agree. If youre modding your xbox or ps3 to play GTA weeks before it comes out, then no. However, older games seem ridiculous to get a hold of. The worth of the individual game alone shrinks so much once a system passes their prime. Look at the mega man and need for speed packs on the ps2.

And on another note, if I have no chance of being able to afford legitimate games, does that mean I don't deserve the right to play them?

ABSOLUTLEY the dumbass excuse that you have the right to steal a game because you are poor wont fly. If you stole $60 worth of groceries from WallMart do you think they would just let you walk out the door? no, because its stealing. Theft is theft no matter how poor you are.

ABSOLUTLEY the dumbass excuse that you have the right to steal a game because you are poor wont fly. If you stole $60 worth of groceries from WallMart do you think they would just let you walk out the door? no, because its stealing. Theft is theft no matter how poor you are.

The scenario is VERY different when playing ROMs of old games. Such as SNES, NES, etc. It is by far much cheaper to just download them (illegal? i don't care) and play them, than to try to find the console and then import/ebay the games, for ridiculous prices. or even to download them for stupid prices on the virtual console/XBLA/PSN, etc. If you want to play the game just do it. That is only for old-gen games. Not AT ALL talking about current-gen games pirated or any of that, that I think is wrong...-ish.

Right it gives me a chance to catch up on games that i would never buy. Or try the crappy games which people say are that bad

ABSOLUTLEY the dumbass excuse that you have the right to steal a game because you are poor wont fly. If you stole $60 worth of groceries from WallMart do you think they would just let you walk out the door? no, because its stealing. Theft is theft no matter how poor you are.

Of course that excuse won't "fly", thats because it IS illegal, however we are not debating whether or not it is illegal.

We are debating whether using ROMs and Emulators is right or wrong, not the legality of it, all of us hear know ROMs aren't legal. Anyway I think I posted this before but, I think it is ok as long as the game is N64/PS1 and older, now I am a bit of a hypocrite for saying this because I have a GBA emulator.

The scenario is VERY different when playing ROMs of old games. Such as SNES, NES, etc. It is by far much cheaper to just download them (illegal? i don't care) and play them, than to try to find the console and then import/ebay the games, for ridiculous prices. or even to download them for stupid prices on the virtual console/XBLA/PSN, etc. If you want to play the game just do it. That is only for old-gen games. Not AT ALL talking about current-gen games pirated or any of that, that I think is wrong...-ish.

1st, I was responding to that guy saying that he had the right to take software because he cant afford it. 2nd, you damn well should care, you are still stealing the intellectual property. There is obviously still earning potential on that property and, without the specific consent of the company that owns the game, you are stealing. What do you mean by 'ish'? under what circumstance do you see it as a good idea to steal?

Of course that excuse won't "fly", thats because it IS illegal, however we are not debating whether or not it is illegal.

we are debating if it is right or wrong, I would say legality comes into that argument.

We are debating whether using ROMs and Emulators is right or wrong, not the legality of it, all of us hear know ROMs aren't legal. Anyway I think I posted this before but, I think it is ok as long as the game is N64/PS1 and older, now I am a bit of a hypocrite for saying this because I have a GBA emulator.

Aparently some people don't know that its illegal. I think the legality is quite a lot of the argument actually.

I just wanted to add another thing. I feel justified playing ROMs because I spend probably one night playing whatever game I downloaded. Then I go back to weeks of playing my xbox and ds. Video game companies forever have my wallet locked in their hands, and I don't think a night of me playing TMNT Arcade will change any of that. For as much as I played that game on MAME, the second it came out on XBLA I bought it anyway....too many acronyms.

1st, I was responding to that guy saying that he had the right to take software because he cant afford it. 2nd, you damn well should care, you are still stealing the intellectual property. There is obviously still earning potential on that property and, without the specific consent of the company that owns the game, you are stealing. What do you mean by 'ish'? under what circumstance do you see it as a good idea to steal?


Oh my. Well aren't you the right hand of the law. I don't bother with legalities when it comes to ROMs, they are old games and the only way developers could still earn $ on them would be to have them resold on VC/XBLA/PSN, etc, which means they are basically ripping you off for an old game. Seems pointless when you could just download it. It wouldn't hurt them entirely either, sales of these games are more of a bonus than anything else for them.

And as for the second thing. I'd say mostly for people who wouldn't normally be getting the game until months later. I.E. Australians who don't get most games until Americans have enjoyed them for months.

I think emulation is alright assuming there is no reasonable way for you to obtain the game legally. For example if i wanted to play Final Fantasy III again it would cost me more than $55 on ebay, and I expect that number to increase within the next 4 hours before the auction ends. Also when the game arrived there is still a chance that it would not work in my snes. And on another note, if I have no chance of being able to afford legitimate games, does that mean I don't deserve the right to play them?

FFIII was released on the Nintendo DS, so technically you can get your fix there.

ok then if its not realised or in production then its ok to use the roms but if it is rereleased then delete your rom and buy the real thing.
also despite all the moral outrage caused by whether rom/emulators are good or bad or that there illegal i'd bet money that no one can find a case where a developer has sued a person for owning an illgeal 15 year old rom that the dev cant possibly know they have. Guess why, the devs probably don't care when they have enough on there hands with developing super-mega-hd-genero-killo-thon 7.

Can't wait for that game!!!

FFIII was released on the Nintendo DS, so technically you can get your fix there.

I said no reasonable way to get it, $160 for a ds and copy of FFIII sounds unreasonable to me.

1st, I was responding to that guy saying that he had the right to take software because he cant afford it. 2nd, you damn well should care, you are still stealing the intellectual property. There is obviously still earning potential on that property and, without the specific consent of the company that owns the game, you are stealing. What do you mean by 'ish'? under what circumstance do you see it as a good idea to steal?

I never said I had the right to take it because I couldn't afford it. I proposed a question on whether or not being unable to afford a game, means that you can't play it.

I use emulators, and i think they're fine as long as you dont sell them. I still buy games off virtual console and XBL though.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

I said no reasonable way to get it, $160 for a ds and copy of FFIII sounds unreasonable to me.



I never said I had the right to take it because I couldn't afford it. I proposed a question on whether or not being unable to afford a game, means that you can't play it.

but it is available.
I may not see buying a PS3 to play whatever they have good on there logical, but its still wrong

but it is available.
I may not see buying a PS3 to play whatever they have good on there logical, but its still wrong

So tell me... when will Persona be downloadable? Because it seems to me that people want to rip you off for the game itself.... $90 for it on half... literally just the disc and no condition guarantees short of it working.

And yes if THAT is in the PSN store and works on PS3 after buying, I WILL start looking for a PS3.

So tell me... when will Persona be downloadable? Because it seems to me that people want to rip you off for the game itself.... $90 for it on half... literally just the disc and no condition guarantees short of it working.

And yes if THAT is in the PSN store and works on PS3 after buying, I WILL start looking for a PS3.

I have no idea...
But i was saying that your reasoning for ROMming FFIII was because you didn't want to buy a DS and the game.

But most people have come to the consensus that if a game is not for sale and obsolete, they find it morally acceptable to ROM it.

Square Enix would like to make money by selling Final Fantasy III, so they ported it to the DS. However, you don't want to spend money to play it, but still want it.

You can't have your pudding unless you eat your meat.

Oh my. Well aren't you the right hand of the law. I don't bother with legalities when it comes to ROMs, they are old games and the only way developers could still earn $ on them would be to have them resold on VC/XBLA/PSN, etc, which means they are basically ripping you off for an old game. Seems pointless when you could just download it. It wouldn't hurt them entirely either, sales of these games are more of a bonus than anything else for them.

And as for the second thing. I'd say mostly for people who wouldn't normally be getting the game until months later. I.E. Australians who don't get most games until Americans have enjoyed them for months.

Oh my. Well yes. I know that they are old games, I am not disputing that. I am saying that 'no matter how old a game is, you are still stealing intellectual property. Reselling is a perfectly legitimate way to raise some cash for an older studio, you are killing that right. Sales being a 'bonus' excuse is bull sh!t. If you aren't willing to pay for it, why are you consuming it at all?

Its still wrong. If you live in Australia, or Europe [like me] then move if you are that into games that you cant wait that one month. Besides, most games are international release now and roll out on the same day.

ok then if its not realised or in production then its ok to use the roms but if it is rereleased then delete your rom and buy the real thing.
also despite all the moral outrage caused by whether rom/emulators are good or bad or that there illegal i'd bet money that no one can find a case where a developer has sued a person for owning an illgeal 15 year old rom that the dev cant possibly know they have. Guess why, the devs probably don't care when they have enough on there hands with developing super-mega-hd-genero-killo-thon 7.

Can't wait for that game!!!

That would be morally grey, you have still taken the game. I doubt too many people would delete that ROM of Ms Pacman because its available on XBLA.

The reason that companies, like Codemasters, don't go 'all guns blazin' at thieves is because 1)its near impossible to track, and 2) because they don't want to make more people aware that these games are available to steal from the Internet.

I said no reasonable way to get it, $160 for a ds and copy of FFIII sounds unreasonable to me.

I never said I had the right to take it because I couldn't afford it. I proposed a question on whether or not being unable to afford a game, means that you can't play it.

Ok, I am sorry if that came out as offensive. My point still stands though, if you cant afford to consume, then just don't consume. As for your FFIII costing too much, that your problem. The law doesn't say that I can take a PS3 because it seems like an unreasonable price tag. I cant just stroll into my local Ford dealer and drive off in a car because the price seems unreasonable., I just have to live with my '360/bike and save up.


most of the people in this thread seem to think that ROMing is legal if the game isn't in retail anymore. The reality is that, with the new digital downloading services your excuse is completely invalidated. Tell me how you came to your conclusion? Did you steal the game and then think 'how can I justify this?' or did you go through all possible steps to get the game [go to all 2nd hand stores, look through the entire XBLA/PSN/WiiWare marketplaces, look on eBay, look on PlaySwitch, and all other avenues that this may be available for -all of whom you are ripping off by stealing the game] find that there is no way on earth to get that game, then download it. I'll bet I know the answer.

Reverse engineering an excuse is not how life works. So stop doing it.

I have no idea...
But i was saying that your reasoning for ROMming FFIII was because you didn't want to buy a DS and the game.

But most people have come to the consensus that if a game is not for sale and obsolete, they find it morally acceptable to ROM it.

Square Enix would like to make money by selling Final Fantasy III, so they ported it to the DS. However, you don't want to spend money to play it, but still want it.

You can't have your pudding unless you eat your meat.

I HAVE a PS2 onhand to play on though... I could play it, if I could find it. And no, Im not looking to pirate it... I want to do it right, but damn does it piss me off to see that since it's Shin Megumi Tensei, people get it JUST to rip you off! This is actually on the same reason I told my parents that even though it would take longer (and they got me a "promise of it" a few xmases ago) they were NOT to go to Ebay for a Wii when it came out!

People like that seriously just piss me right the hell off.

i see what you mean.
It'd be nice if you could legally download games like that. I would even pay for them. I know the Wii has the virtual console, but having it for all platforms would be nice.

Games like System Shock 1 & 2 would be top of my list if someone were to re-release the. I mean, SS2 is $99 to import, and from god knows where.

Games like System Shock 1 & 2 would be top of my list if someone were to re-release the. I mean, SS2 is $99 to import, and from god knows where.

damn.... I have both and loved them dearly, but I agree. It needs to be rereleased.... compatibility is also a factor.

Wrong, but who cares? It's morally wrong, but I'll play my NES games if I want to lol.

Nope, sorry, I was just late to the party. Even if its old, even if its the oldest game out there its still against the law to emulate because its still within 50 years of the death of the owner of the IP. Against the law = wrong. Most forms of emulation [I have nothing against emulating to back up data] is akin to Piracy. Pirated ~scum. Also, just because you own a game on Gameboy Advanced doesn't mean you can steal it for another system. Would that logic not say that you justify pirating GTAIV on the '360 because you already paid for it on the PS3?

Ah, but that's only if the game hasn't turned into abandonware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware). In quite a few instances, it's perfectly legal. Also, some games play better on the PC...or iPod Touch...:D

Ah, but that's only if the game hasn't turned into abandonware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware). In quite a few instances, it's perfectly legal. Also, some games play better on the PC...or iPod Touch...:D

They made Final Fantasy 12 for the NES, so, lets agree that emulation is right only for abandonware.

They made Final Fantasy 12 for the NES, so, lets agree that emulation is right only for abandonware.

Deal. Abandonware, and for data backups.

Perhaps a better outcome of this thread would be to list the games hat have been discontinued/are hard to get etc and start a petition or something to get them re-published.

I agree that emulation is commercially wrong, and I think most people will agree, but that does not remove the fact that people such as myself would like to play 'classic' games, without having to purchase an entire system to go with it. For example, I would love to play the orignal Metroid on NES, but that is the only game I want to play on the system. If there was some way, legally to download these games online, say for $2, I would be right behind it.

Kudos to everyone who weighed in on the debate, and kept it reasoned and illegal-content free.

I was half expecting to walk in here, and have to clean up liks to emulator and ROM sites. Thank you for restoring my faith in the sanity of this community.

I only wish the PS3, 360 and Wii forums were so easy to moderate.

Perhaps a better outcome of this thread would be to list the games hat have been discontinued/are hard to get etc and start a petition or something to get them re-published.

I agree that emulation is commercially wrong, and I think most people will agree, but that does not remove the fact that people such as myself would like to play 'classic' games, without having to purchase an entire system to go with it. For example, I would love to play the orignal Metroid on NES, but that is the only game I want to play on the system. If there was some way, legally to download these games online, say for $2, I would be right behind it.

Kudos to everyone who weighed in on the debate, and kept it reasoned and illegal-content free.

I was half expecting to walk in here, and have to clean up liks to emulator and ROM sites. Thank you for restoring my faith in the sanity of this community.

I only wish the PS3, 360 and Wii forums were so easy to moderate.

well, in Metroid's case, you're in luck, of sorts. It was released on the Game Boy Advance (Nintendo released several classic NES games for GBA several years ago, in their original form), and it's on the Virtual Console on the Wii (I believe). And fairly cheap too.

And I didn't expect it to get 6 pages long, either. I hoped it would be productive, but I expected it to be a flame war for whoever said it was wrong. So thanks, sorta.

I'm all for making a list of games I want to see re-released. Chronotrigger is one. It was a SNES RPG that i didn't get to play originally, because my first console was a Gamecube. I emulated it a while back, but it wasn't the same experience as it could be, and i didn't finish it.
But I would gladly pay for it and play it, I've heard its really good.

OK. I would absolutley love to see Populus [the first one] and I would pay a reasonable price for it if it were released.

And I didn't expect it to get 6 pages long, either. I hoped it would be productive, but I expected it to be a flame war for whoever said it was wrong. So thanks, sorta.

Emulation is wrong! It's made of FAIL and AIDS. Anyone who emulates anything will BURN IN HELL!:lol:

That productive enough for ya? :p

Perhaps a better outcome of this thread would be to list the games hat have been discontinued/are hard to get etc and start a petition or something to get them re-published.What about companies that have switched sides? For example, Donkey Kong Country is a SNES game made by Rare, who are now developing for Microsoft. How would that work?

Since when have gamers cared for the legalities?

Chronotrigger is one. It was a SNES RPG that i didn't get to play originally, because my first console was a Gamecube. I emulated it a while back, but it wasn't the same experience as it could be, and i didn't finish it.
But I would gladly pay for it and play it, I've heard its really good.

if you have any kind of playstation, you can pick it up with final fantasy mythologies... it was for PS1 and included FF 4,5, and chrono trigger. :heart:

What about companies that have switched sides? For example, Donkey Kong Country is a SNES game made by Rare, who are now developing for Microsoft. How would that work?

The decision would fall with whoever had the IP to Donkey Kong Country.

if you have any kind of playstation, you can pick it up with final fantasy mythologies... it was for PS1 and included FF 4,5, and chrono trigger. :heart:

just for the sake of irony, i should emulate FFM.
but in all seriousness, ill check that out.

It's fine.

If I cannot find a first hand copy of the game (online and offline) I will proabably emulate it but that if i cannot find a second hand copy in my local store... the internet is not to be trusted when it comes to second hand games (For those who read my legend of dragoon thread thats an exception)

thers nothing bad with it i mean nintendo already win a lot of money with a all the consoles so i see no problem

thers nothing bad with it i mean nintendo already win a lot of money with a all the consoles so i see no problem

but following that logic, it's okay to rob a bank. They already have tons of money anyway, so there shouldn't be any problem taking all the money from one of them.

but following that logic, it's okay to rob a bank. They already have tons of money anyway, so there shouldn't be any problem taking all the money from one of them.

I'm not supposed to rob banks? damn!

I'm not supposed to rob banks? damn!

I mean, one more run couldn't hurt. Let's call up the gang and do one last heist.
what'do ya say?

I mean, one more run couldn't hurt. Let's call up the gang and do one last heist.
what'do ya say?

Sounds the plot to a B-Grade movie....

Sounds the plot to a B-Grade movie....

it probally is. lol