Just a bit of background, i download music and movies, although i still go to the cinema to see flick's i'm realy excited about. However, i have always kept clear of game piracy, i believe that the games industry isn't full of corruption and deserves my suppory, cough cough music industry. However, yesterday i got bored, decided i realy wanted to play GOW chains of olympus, and set about cracking my PSP. I only did it because it's so rediculously easy and my PSP doesn't get much play (because i have done all of my games). Anyway, i basicaly wanted your opininon on the morals of game piracy.

oh and also my PSP can do so much more now, like run and download youtube vids, play N64 emulators, read PDF's etc. That part isn't even realy piracy, it's just running useful aplications on my PSP.

Ya a PSP with custom firmware is awesome.

Anyway tho putting custom firmware on your psp isn't piracy. Piracy is pretty much obtaining copyrighted media without paying. Homebrew(whch is what a psp with custom firmware allows) is legal. Downloading psp games/roms and playing them isn't. Although installing custom firmware is illegal because when you update your psp you agree to Sony's EULA which states something like you cant install any unauthorized firmware to your psp.

And what do you mean the games industry isn't corrupt? Rockstar charged $49.99 for GTA Vice city stories for PSP...

I download my PC and DS games nowadays since the prices in Sweden are ridiculously high.
So I don't think it's wrong, unless it's a game by Bioware.

to clarify, i mean the music industry is corrupt, the lables take massive profits and most of the time the bands get ripped off. Also, the top 40 is full of crap

As dor game industry corruption, sure they sometimes charge extortionate prices, but the money gets to the people who made the game, rather than simon cowell

to clarify, i mean the music industry is corrupt, the lables take massive profits and most of the time the bands get ripped off. Also, the top 40 is full of crap

As dor game industry corruption, sure they sometimes charge extortionate prices, but the money gets to the people who made the game, rather than simon cowell

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Amen! That is exactly why I want to download music...but the last time I used a torrent, it slowed our internet down to a crawl. Also, my parents won't allow it. So for now, I'm stuck with iTunes.

Good point but word of advice. I made this mistake.

Be VERY careful when talking about emulations and roms...

If you want to voice any opinions about these abominations to gaming *cough*, explain that you are not using them and they are bad before making any points about them...:thumbsup:

How do you put on custon firmware? I did a network update and now I can't use any 3rd party stuff :(

I totally think it was a waste of $... I regret buying it tbh. Got it when it was $300... Total waste of $.

Welcome to the club. I think its wrong to illegally download game/movies/music but i still do it. But when it comes 2 games I will download them as a demo and then buy if I like it. But with old games ill just emulate them on for nothing, or if i just feel like im being ripped off.

Quick question: Can you install custom firmware on the PSP slim?

Quick question: Can you install custom firmware on the PSP slim?
Yes.

Yes.

The standard Pandora's battery route?

You are now officialy B.A.

Yes.

Can you use the luminess 2 method on a slim?

And can you still play PSN games on your PSP? Like beats.

Good point but word of advice. I made this mistake.

Be VERY careful when talking about emulations and roms...

If you want to voice any opinions about these abominations to gaming *cough*, explain that you are not using them and they are bad before making any points about them...:thumbsup:

Well thats no fair. I have a DS and Metroid 2: Return of Samus on cart... since my DS cant play it and any Advance SP I could get is crap, I used the "backup" of a ROM to play what I bought!

I would think that a genuinely good use.

Well thats no fair. I have a DS and Metroid 2: Return of Samus on cart... since my DS cant play it and any Advance SP I could get is crap, I used the "backup" of a ROM to play what I bought!

I would think that a genuinely good use.

Safety reasons. I was told with good warning by a forum friend that talking about you using emulators and roms is dangerous because if certain people are looking at the forums (unlikely, but possible), they may see something they don't like, and could misconstrue the post and possibly shut the forum. Sounds very strange but I believe my informant :lol: (informant lol) and just take heed.

You of course did not mean any of what you posted and were merely making small talk... :huh: *cough* :grin:

Here, this may help explain:

http://www.sarcasticgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1108

http://www.sarcasticgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4735

hope I helped :thumbsup:.

The standard Pandora's battery route?

Ya.

Can you use the luminess 2 method on a slim?

And can you still play PSN games on your PSP? Like beats.

I don't have a slim so I don't keep up to date on hacks for that but last I heard Pandora's battery was the only way to hack a slim. I was never aware of an exploit in Lumines II, do you mean Lumines I? If so no you cant use that method. PSN games should still work fine.

You sick bastard.

j/k

It isn't a big deal, the game publishers still make money.

Well thats no fair. I have a DS and Metroid 2: Return of Samus on cart... since my DS cant play it and any Advance SP I could get is crap, I used the "backup" of a ROM to play what I bought!

I would think that a genuinely good use.

I'm pretty certain that what you are doing is legal, certainly from a software point of view,the same way you can keep backups of your own CDs legally. If you have bought a game you are allowed to use a ROM of it. Depends on whether you have broken any of the terms of use on the hardware side.

i have a trade i wish to do here
if ne1 wants there original psp hacked i will send u lumines AND my spare psp slim battery all i ask is that u turn it into a pandora battery so i can hack mine (google it and ul find the files) if this isnt allowed i will edit out if it is and u want then pm me plz

Guys I've got news for you, if you're playing without paying it's illegal.

I work in the movie industry and I have friends and family in the gaming, TV, and music industry and downloading hurts. And not the guys you think it hurts it hurts the little guys.

When a company makes less money they don't pay the CEO less, they fire the junior artists. I have a friend that runs a video store and since downloading started he's been forced to cut his staff by 15%. Those are people that earn minimum wage out on their luck.

I know it seems harmless but it isn't.

If you want to play it/listen to it/watch it then buy it, some of us have kids to feed.

For modding you PSP? Hell no, but since i know you in real life. Yes, you are evil

Guys I've got news for you, if you're playing without paying it's illegal.

I work in the movie industry and I have friends and family in the gaming, TV, and music industry and downloading hurts. And not the guys you think it hurts it hurts the little guys.

When a company makes less money they don't pay the CEO less, they fire the junior artists. I have a friend that runs a video store and since downloading started he's been forced to cut his staff by 15%. Those are people that earn minimum wage out on their luck.

I know it seems harmless but it isn't.

If you want to play it/listen to it/watch it then buy it, some of us have kids to feed.

It's sad to hear that but see it from our point of view. Gte it for a huge price or for free. If they want sales to continue they're going to have to realise that they can't charge a huge amount anymore. But with the advances in technology it's going to be harder for people to use copied material.

Gte it for a huge price or for free. If they want sales to continue they're going to have to realise that they can't charge a huge amount anymore.

It's not entirely that simple, take games for example. EA makes huge bucks on their games and could possibly afford to lower prices but then there is the little guy that has no advertising budget and doesn't draw the media attention they need to boost sales. The little guy needs the prices to stay where they are because the sales aren't big enough to support lower prices.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of industries that need to wake up but I'm not convinced pricing is the answer. I don't have an issue with $14 for a CD but when I buy that CD and it's DRM'd out the wazoo so I can't put it on my iPod then I'm getting screwed. The music companies are screwing the very people that are supporting them in order to stop the people who wouldn't pay anyways. Where I come from that called crapping where you eat.

Also for the record I personally don't see a problem with modding a piece of hardware that you purchase (as long as you aren't using it to get free stuff or cheat at gaming) if you paid for it, paint it blue and piss on it for all I care, you own it.

Please don't think I'm all high and mighty, I have many friends that download movies, music and TV shows. I accept that it's what happens when media industries don't keep up with technology, this usually happens because they are afraid of piracy. Kind of a vicious circle.

Don't worry about me, I'm not a narc. I have no interest in reporting anyone, I just like to remind people they are taking money from people and it's not who they generally assume.

well i buy all my games, except one or two, but they are usually PC games, and are so old i cant find em in Game

I think that's fair, if an IP is not currently for sale you are not depriving the developer/distributor of any money.

It's not entirely that simple, take games for example. EA makes huge bucks on their games and could possibly afford to lower prices but then there is the little guy that has no advertising budget and doesn't draw the media attention they need to boost sales. The little guy needs the prices to stay where they are because the sales aren't big enough to support lower prices.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of industries that need to wake up but I'm not convinced pricing is the answer. I don't have an issue with $14 for a CD but when I buy that CD and it's DRM'd out the wazoo so I can't put it on my iPod then I'm getting screwed. The music companies are screwing the very people that are supporting them in order to stop the people who wouldn't pay anyways. Where I come from that called crapping where you eat.

Also for the record I personally don't see a problem with modding a piece of hardware that you purchase (as long as you aren't using it to get free stuff or cheat at gaming) if you paid for it, paint it blue and piss on it for all I care, you own it.

Please don't think I'm all high and mighty, I have many friends that download movies, music and TV shows. I accept that it's what happens when media industries don't keep up with technology, this usually happens because they are afraid of piracy. Kind of a vicious circle.

Don't worry about me, I'm not a narc. I have no interest in reporting anyone, I just like to remind people they are taking money from people and it's not who they generally assume.

I mainly download TV shows that i can't see because I don't have sky or anything half good to watch.

The point im trying to make though is that there's not much incentive to play fair if playing fair would lead you to have £40 less in your pocket. You're right it is a vicious circle but it's only vicious because people have moved one step ahead.

Stealing from the little guy is always bad, but it's the big guys who give us the incental to steal and things start to become less of a big deal the second time around.

Then why not steal anything else? Why is digital theft so much more acceptable than physical theft?

One reason, it's harder to get caught. Nothing else is different, download a movie, steal a dvd from a store, same theft but one is risky and one is not.

The point im trying to make though is that there's not much incentive to play fair if playing fair would lead you to have £40 less in your pocket.

That's the motivation for all theft, thinking you have a right to something without paying for it. if you decide something is not worth the money you don't get to say it's OK to steal it. I don't think it's fair that cars cost as much as they do, by your logic I should steal one?

You're right it is a vicious circle but it's only vicious because people have moved one step ahead.

Spelling mistakes aside that makes no sense.

Stealing from the little guy is always bad, but it's the big guys who give us the incental to steal and things start to become less of a big deal the second time around.

Yup, the more you do something wrong the less wrong it feels, ironically though it gets worse the more you do it. And as I pointed out before you're not stealing from the big guy, it's the little guy that loses his/her job to cover the losses of the big guy.

You are an evil person. I'm kidding it is fine.

Whats really at question here is how people are going to react to video game piracy. The only people that really care about it are VALVe and the other big PC Developers. It's pretty damn easy for Sony to care because of they knew about the vunrabilities of having updatable firmware along with a known memory card format which allows people to easily crack the firmware. I don't think your evil I just think that your like everyone else who has a PSP which means they like have fun trying to get games you cant on the PSP like Doom. It's Sony's fault for trying to stop this because people just want to have a good time playing.

No, you're a freedom fighter! You're fighting for our freedom!

No.
Nuff said.

Well once you buy the product its yours so enjoy and do what you must

Custom firmware (I'm guessing you use Dark Alex M33) certainly expands the PSP's functionality and some of the stuff is perfectly harmless like a pdf reader.

You can hardly say that downloading music is ok because the industry is corrupt. Even if publishers get 98% of the money, you are still depriving the artist of that 2%. Stealing games is no different. If you consider a game worth playing then buy it, if not then don't play it.

In reality though the choice of either getting a game for free, or paying for a game is one that most people will find easy to decide, regardless of the consequences.

But yes, you are evil. Spawn of Satan himself.

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Amen! That is exactly why I want to download music...but the last time I used a torrent, it slowed our internet down to a crawl. Also, my parents won't allow it. So for now, I'm stuck with iTunes.

Use LimeWire.

I try downloading games but its just too slow for me.

I am not really a pirate...i do however play games that were pirated beforehand.Original games just aren't available in Pakistan.With that comes a big drawback,no online play.

Other than that,yes,i do download my music instead of buying it.

And no,you aren't evil.I am!