Seriously, it's not like it's some uber-amazing end all be all gun. It's crappy short range, and takes several bursts due to recoil long range. Those who think that it takes no skill only say so because they have none. It's not easy to line up a small red dot with a moving target long range and maintain a bead on him while shooting, dealing with recoil, and possible moving. The day they make the gun shoot nukes, talk to me. Otherwise, shut the **** up.









M16 noob, an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

The M16 isn't my main gun, but I do use it a good deal. If you can hip fire well, the M16 is not crappy at short range at all.

Who is this aimed at, and why are you insulting a gun? :shocked:

It's not easy to line up a small red dot with a moving target long range and maintain a bead on him while shooting, dealing with recoil, and possible moving.

Yeah, it is actually. :tongue:

Who is this aimed at, and why are you insulting a gun? :shocked:

It's aimed at those people who call me a noob for owning them with an M16.

Yeah, it is actually. :tongue:

No easier than any other gun.

So I'm some skilless loser because I complain about the overpowered weapon?

Let's take your points and counter them. All of these opinions are based on the m16 w/Red Dot Sight and Stopping Power.

It's crappy short range
One burst, one kill. No need to aim. It's more effective than any of the shotguns in CQC, and fires faster with less recoil.

takes several bursts due to recoil long range
Recoil is next to nothing, especially when compared to other Assault Rifles. If you have good aim, it usually takes one burst, or part of the burst to the head to take down the target. Due to the weapon's range and accuracy, this is easily achieved even with Iron Sights.

It's not easy to line up a small red dot with a moving target long range and maintain a bead on him while shooting, dealing with recoil, and possible moving.
I'll agree with you there, but the quote doesn't seem like it's pointed towards the m16. Two quick bursts fired in front of the moving target will take them down. It takes less skill to lead a target with the m16 than it does with any of the Submachine Guns, Sniper Rifles, and most of the other Assault Rifles. Once again, the m16 has very little recoil, you can fire 3 consecutive bursts with only minor adjustments to your aim to keep hitting the same spot - that's something that cannot be said for the AK-47.

Ask anyone in the army or uses a m16 *in real life* and they will tell you it sucks in real life also.

Ask anyone in the army or uses a m16 *in real life* and they will tell you it sucks in real life also.

Balance isn't an issue *in real life*. In a competetive multiplayer video game, however, balance is one of the most important factors.

Balance should trump realism. One weapon out of 20 being used, from my experience, 80% of the time - is not balance.

I don't have a problem with people using the M16. I personally don't like to use it because it has one of the worst ironsights imo, and I would rather go around with a silenced weapon. I have noticed that most people who play CoD4 will complain about any weapon the top player in a match uses, whether it is the M16 or not. I had somebody on my team tell me that I shouldn't be able to get headshots because I use a silenced AK-47, yet I have a Blue Tiger and I haven't used a red dot sight on it.

I'd rather be killed by an M16 than a P90. They seem to be the most used guns in the game though. I like my silenced M4 or my AK47 with red dot.

i dont get why you care so much about what other people think. just play your game and dont let them bother you. I think it is an easy gun to get kills w/ and thats why the devs made it be tha first gun you get so even nubes can get kills the first time they play the game . i say people shouldn't complain about things that are in the game , they put them in for a reason and if you think its a cheap gun well then use it too. thats just my 2 cents

oh and yes the p90 is way to overpowered. im not tellling you not to use it . just saying that when a sub machine gun can fire faster and go the same distance as a assult riffle and still be good a close range is a little off balance. hope they tone it down in the next patch

People using the M16 is just fine with me everyone has there own guns they like to use and if people think its such a powerful gun, that its cheap then like Truth said they can start using it and stop complaining. I don't use it all I use the mini Uzi and P90 those are my favorite guns and I can beat anyone with an M16 with those as along as I am the first one to pull the trigger

In reality, M16 is for precision long range shots and the AK is for all out power in a small package. Terms of recoil, it comes down to the design of the weapon itself, in which the M16's stock is directly in line with the barrel of the rifle and directs all recoil directly into the shoulder, one fluid motion and all forces pushing straight back.

The AK uses an angled stock, much like hunting rifles where the goal is to be able to comfortably shoulder the weapon and still use the iron sights effectively. However because it is angled, the forces don't move in a direct line backwards and become angled, tossing the weapon about.

But beezs, you also use the iron sights on an M16, so why isn't it angled? Because the iron sights are raised on that weapon to help it maintain the comfort when shouldered. The carrying handle hods the ghost ring, and the tip of the barrel has the pin raised, which essentially give it a leg up on the competition by already being prepped for distance combat. With a removable carrying handle and the modular nature of the weapon, it can be easily outfitted for any situation with R.I.S. rails, and having another rail along the upper reciever. New sights and scope's being EOtech holosights (you get to see these beautiful things at the beginning of warpig), ACOG scopes, the reflex/red dot sight and so forth.

The M16 is a great weapon, as long as you take care of it. Many complaints against it stemmed from the Vietnam era usage, where soldiers didn't always have the time to clean it properly, and the FUBARed substandard ammunition supplied by the Government (corrosive powders and such gummed up the works and caused the bolt or the firing pin to stop working completely.

So I'm some skilless loser because I complain about the overpowered weapon?

If you were really that good then you would be able to beat it without complaining about it.

Let's take your points and counter them. All of these opinions are based on the m16 w/Red Dot Sight and Stopping Power.


One burst, one kill. No need to aim. It's more effective than any of the shotguns in CQC, and fires faster with less recoil.

If you shoot from the hip and hit them then he will die, but most of the time at least one or two bullets miss which gives the other person using a shotgun, full auto assault rifle, or smg plenty of time to kill you before you get the next burst off


Recoil is next to nothing, especially when compared to other Assault Rifles. If you have good aim, it usually takes one burst, or part of the burst to the head to take down the target. Due to the weapon's range and accuracy, this is easily achieved even with Iron Sights.

At long range the recoil does make only like one bullet hit. Also bullet for bullet it's just as powerful as the AK(only two bullets for each). The only thing that makes it good is that it can deliver three shots very quickly and accurately. However, it also means that if you miss then your opponent has a chance to easily pick you off. Also note that the gun is only accurate down the sights, giving someone within close range time to shoot from the hip and take you down before you can even aim.


I'll agree with you there, but the quote doesn't seem like it's pointed towards the m16. Two quick bursts fired in front of the moving target will take them down. It takes less skill to lead a target with the m16 than it does with any of the Submachine Guns, Sniper Rifles, and most of the other Assault Rifles. Once again, the m16 has very little recoil, you can fire 3 consecutive bursts with only minor adjustments to your aim to keep hitting the same spot - that's something that cannot be said for the AK-47.

So because it's better long range then medium range guns and snipers where of course it's harder to hit a moving target it's over powered? I have to call BS on that. I suppose that snipers are over powered because shotguns can't shoot as far, right?


Also, it should be added that in real life the M16 is so accurate that the army had to do an investigation to see if soldiers were executing insurgents in Iraq because of how many headshots they were getting.

I love the M16, and yes, it takes tallent. The P90's the one that takes little skill.

And wackyiraqi77, the snipers are powerfull because it would make sense, they fire a higher caliber bullet than an M16 and they also have more power behind it.

I got thirty kills with an MP5 in my last match. I love that gun. The M16 is good but any gun in the game is good with the right perks.

And wackyiraqi77, the snipers are powerfull because it would make sense, they fire a higher caliber bullet than an M16 and they also have more power behind it.

Just to help you along with this, the Armalite/Colt platforms for military use fire the 5.56 NATO (.223) compared to the M40A3, M21, Dragunov, R700 shooting a 7.62 (.308) which have a lower muzzle velocity but retain the stopping power over distance thanks to the extra mass of the bullet.

The 5.56 may have a higher muzzle velocity, making it much more useful in the mid-range, but after it reaches a certain distance it begins to tumble wildly losing a lot of the much needed power for long distance shots.

On another note, in CoD4 the M16, M4, and G36C share ammunition, so you can double up on available ammo with overkill, or pick up more by looking for these guns. The Ak47, G3, and M14 share ammo with all the sniper rifles with the exception of the Barrett .50 which uses .50 BMG.

Just to point something out, Mr. Iraqi. I have a 2.07 k/d ratio. I use the m16, and when using the M40A3 or P90, I have absolutely no trouble killing someone else that's using it. When I do use it, I usually go 4:1 or higher in the match. I know how to use the weapon, and how to fight against it.

Every point you attempted to counter me with makes no sense. In Close Quarters, I fire off 2 bursts before the guy gets 5 bullets out of his P90 - he dies - If you're aiming down your sights with the m16 in Close Quarters Combat, you deserve to die.

At long range, whether the target is moving or not, I kill him with 1-2 bursts - Faster than a sniper, and more accurately than any other assault rifle. If I miss a burst, it's not exactly rocket science to attempt to re-aim at the target and fire again.

Don't try and treat me like some ill-informed idiot. I've used the weapon since the beta, I use it at least in one game when I do play. I get screamed at for decimating the other team with it - and yet I still think it's overpowered. But why wouldn't I use the most powerful weapon in the game? I'm not saying it's overpowered because I get killed by it, I say it because it's way too easy to go 52/4 with it.

Balance isn't an issue *in real life*. In a competetive multiplayer video game, however, balance is one of the most important factors.

Balance should trump realism. One weapon out of 20 being used, from my experience, 80% of the time - is not balance.

Very well said , Look guys the bottom line is the guys from Infinity Ward know what they are doing . Yes some weapons are easier but in the end it's the consistently good players that win. The noobs may get in a few kills but usually it's the same guys winning every match. So if you have to complain doesn't that just speak to your frustrations and skill level?

At long range, whether the target is moving or not, I kill him with 1-2 bursts - Faster than a sniper, and more accurately than any other assault rifle. If I miss a burst, it's not exactly rocket science to attempt to re-aim at the target and fire again.


That is the only thing which annoys the hell out of me on cod4.
Its the fact that a M16 can beat a sniper rifle at long range.

Personally I think Infinity Ward have given me rubber bullets the whole time. :p

That is the only thing which annoys the hell out of me on cod4.
Its the fact that a M16 can beat a sniper rifle at long range.

Personally I think Infinity Ward have given me rubber bullets the whole time. :p

You know? That's a valid point. Hit someone with the sniper and all they do is get mad and shoot you. That welt you gave them must hurt in the morning, though ;).

Surprised no one had thrown out the Rifleman's Creed yet.

THIS IS MY RIFLE. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life. My rifle, without me is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than any enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will....

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weakness, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...

Before God I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life. So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but Peace

I never saw that before, thank you for prompting me to look it up.

THIS IS MY RIFLE. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life. My rifle, without me is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than any enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will....

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weakness, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...

Before God I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life. So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but Peace

Long and sweet

THIS IS MY RIFLE. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life. My rifle, without me is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than any enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will....

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weakness, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...

Before God I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life. So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but Peace

I never saw that before, thank you for prompting me to look it up.

No problem, who thought a Marine in Vietnam could pull this together eh? And I am guessing you never seen Full Metal Jacket, I suggest you give it a watching.

And I am guessing you never seen Full Metal Jacket, I suggest you give it a watching.


I second that. one of the best IMO.

If only to hear his tirade in the barracks, quite frankly one of the best and funniest scenes ever.

No problem, who thought a Marine in Vietnam could pull this together eh? And I am guessing you never seen Full Metal Jacket, I suggest you give it a watching.

I will keep that in mind. I don't watch many movies, but when one is recommended, I'll certainly take a look.

M16 owns I like it

Am i a noob?

I do kinda have all the gold guns

I love the m16, not my fault they make it a good gun in the game, plus i love the Battle Rifle in halo(sry to bring it up) and its very similar. Well the BR is modeled after the M16. I have love the 3 shot burst.

Well first of all, you say it is a crappy short range gun, but if you have any level of skill it can be fired from the hip very effectively. You also say that it takes several bursts at long range due to recoil. The gun hardly has any recoil. If you are taking several shots with an M16, its not from the recoil. And as for lining up the red dot....yeah, it is pretty damn easy actually.

Just to point something out, Mr. Iraqi. I have a 2.07 k/d ratio. I use the m16, and when using the M40A3 or P90, I have absolutely no trouble killing someone else that's using it. When I do use it, I usually go 4:1 or higher in the match. I know how to use the weapon, and how to fight against it.

Every point you attempted to counter me with makes no sense. In Close Quarters, I fire off 2 bursts before the guy gets 5 bullets out of his P90 - he dies - If you're aiming down your sights with the m16 in Close Quarters Combat, you deserve to die.

At long range, whether the target is moving or not, I kill him with 1-2 bursts - Faster than a sniper, and more accurately than any other assault rifle. If I miss a burst, it's not exactly rocket science to attempt to re-aim at the target and fire again.

Don't try and treat me like some ill-informed idiot. I've used the weapon since the beta, I use it at least in one game when I do play. I get screamed at for decimating the other team with it - and yet I still think it's overpowered. But why wouldn't I use the most powerful weapon in the game? I'm not saying it's overpowered because I get killed by it, I say it because it's way too easy to go 52/4 with it.

I often go ridiculously positive with the M16 as well, but I also agree with wackyiraqi. In close quarters, it can be quite difficult to shoot someone from the hip with an M16, not at point blanc, but definitely 10-11 feet away. I can use a p90 and shoot from the hip and take out anyone using an M16 whose not already scoped in. because I have a constant stream of bullets that fire someone randomly within a small space. The M16, though, shoots each burst in the same spot, meaning if you miss from the hip, you really miss. This gives the SMG guy ample time to take you out, as smgs kill in like 2-4 shots on average. In this way, the M16 is much waker than many guns close range. It should also be noted that the M16 lacks effectiveness in maps that lack wide open spaces. I can easily beat anyone whose using an M16 with any other gun, it simply comes down to taking the fight to them. The people who complain that it's overpowered rely more on firing than movement, which means that they will get beaten. Those who are aware of when they can get shot as well as the capabilities of their gun in relation to the position of the shooter will find that the M16 is not that good, as you simply need to maneuver into an advantageous position. In this way it can be said that the only reason that the M16 is good is because people are so willing to leave themselves exposed or engage a gun in a situation in which that gun has a clear advantage.

Once again, I disagree Mr Hobo Hunter. When engaged in the situation you described, I swipe my shots up and down their body while shooting from the hip. This splits the burst up usually causing at least one to hit. The second burst is usually done at least halfway looking down the sight, meaning two bullets are guaranteed to hit. Now of course, no new person is ever going to do this, and most SMG users aren't going to expect it. That doesn't mean I win every fight at that distance, but I do win a majority of them.
As for the moving around part, I dislike camping even as a sniper. With the m16 I move all over the map, and I never have any problem getting kills in any situation, whether it be face-to-face in the hallways of Vacant, or caught in the confines of the service tunnel in Pipeline.

But to say that a gun is overpowered when it takes the experiance an skill you describe to use it effectively in all situations hints that it is more your skill that is good than the gun.

Well first of all, you say it is a crappy short range gun, but if you have any level of skill it can be fired from the hip very effectively. You also say that it takes several bursts at long range due to recoil. The gun hardly has any recoil. If you are taking several shots with an M16, its not from the recoil. And as for lining up the red dot....yeah, it is pretty damn easy actually.

I like how instead of reasons you just took every thing he said and stated the opposite.

But to say that a gun is overpowered when it takes the experiance an skill you describe to use it effectively in all situations hints that it is more your skill that is good than the gun

Well, I'll give you that. Looking back, I think more of my argument is that it's overused more than overpowered. In a game with 20+ guns, seeing just the one show up at least 5 times in every match just doesn't feel right to me. On top of that, it is a very good gun, maybe not the best and maybe not 'overpowered', but very good nonetheless.

I think we can reach an agreement on that conclusion.

Now the P90 on the other hand is overpowered. :lol:

I love the M16. It is my gun of choice, and I love the triple bullet fire. It is my favourite gun other than the incredible dragonuv. There's nothing wrong with the M16.

dude the reason people complain about the M16 is because every ****ing N00B puts on stopping power on an M16 and then bosts about how great they are while me and most of my friends are original and create our own kickass kits that are still good

I got a twenty kill streak in "Showdown" in a sabotage match using an M16 with an ACOG Scope :D.

Now that's just sick. Fun... but sick...

Now the P90 on the other hand is overpowered. :lol:

I agree there. Shoots fast, too accurate for an SMG, and has a huge clip size.

use what u want, nothing is cheating at all so just let it slide

I think the Skorpion is a noob/newb/nub/butter eater gun. It's small, powerful, and deadly accurate. :mad:

Forget the M16, at least I can see that gun poking through the walls and around corners. It's the skorpion that people need to stop using. Time to meet the spatula.

Not to mention putting an ACOG on the damned thing makes it like a gajillion times better than the M16.

I love this gun.

The mini-uzi on the other hand, adding a silencer to it is only for the elite, the best of the best.

Sadly, I'm not good enough to use this winning combinaion.

I like using other assault rifles just because they suit me more. I prefer using snipers at long range, I'm catious and conservative as a sniper so I won't try to kill someone who's sprinting across my screen within easy assault rifle range unless I know by instinct I can make the shot. I usually use the M21, so this means I'll usually go for headshots but it makes my life easier at medium range - I've got many kills from walking around a corner to find someone there, aiming quickly and firing. The sudden rush of an enemy appearing in front of me seems to help my aim, as I usually fire 2 or 3 shots so I can kill him with body shots only to hit him in the head with all 3.