Something I have been seeing on these forums is that Wow is evil. I have not played the game, but I would like to know why people think that?

because it takes away your life and eats away your time. (having said that I personally got bored...that was after a week of playing time though. ( if you added up the hours it would equal a week not just owning for a week.)

Evil because some people think it killed PC gaming. I happen to think it revitalized it. Everyone upgraded their PC to play WoW, and thus could get the new titles that were out. Probably more background numbers to go with it as well.

The problem was when WoW came out, a lot of people abandonded whatever game they current played and went the WoW route. I knew plenty of clans who broke up or took losses because of it.

edit: Ok the explaination above works too.

WoW is evil because it lures you away from the games I play, and for every hour you play Wow I kill a puppy with the leg of a pony.

WoW is evil because it lures you away from the games I play, and for every hour you play Wow I kill a puppy with the leg of a pony.

I lol'ed

Because it takes away your life and eats away your time.
The problem was when WoW came out, a lot of people abandonded whatever game they current played and went the WoW route. I knew plenty of clans who broke up or took losses because of it.

True, true, very true.

Evil because some people think it killed PC gaming. I happen to think it revitalized it.

It sure as hell didn't kill PC gaming.
A lot of people got addicted and it ruined their lives though...

I used to love wow, played it for 5000hrs (yes, 5000) myself.
I'm glad that one day I was able to say, this is it, I have to stop this game taking over my life.
So I did, I froze my account and never played again.

Have not touched it since and proud of it.


PS @ Volkov: WoW never really needed that much of a machine to play really...

True, true, very true.





I used to love wow, played it for 5000hrs (yes, 5000) myself.

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hmm....I may have trouble finding 5000 puppies.

Well this is one thing I don't totally understand. The position I've been hearing is that MMORPGs, and were just pointing out WoW, are bad because they waste your time on doing stupid things like getting new pixels and killing the evil reincarnate of Lono. And these same people are saying that FPSs and RTSs etc arn't wasting your time? I mean, I love gaming and I don't think its a waste of time, but to the people that play WoW going around and killing other people could be just as much of a waste of time as a FPS player would think that WoW is a waste of time.

And face it, both are social and are very subjective, depending on what you like.

Must... get more purples...... You want to see my epics??? o_O

WoW did little for PC gaming imo. When it comes to system requirements, WoW is at the bottom of the barrel, people can play it just fine on low end systems. It was the first game to really make MMO's a successful and profitable venture though...which I think is good to a point.

But it really is low end, an "every man" game. It takes no skill whatsoever, is redundant even for an MMO and is addictive like crack to some people.

Me, I just found it too damn easy. The raids are a joke. The core population is young, rude, and unresponsive. And don't give me that "just get a good clan" bs. The graphics are kiddy to the point of being insulting. The writing is atrocious. Jeez what else...

Well for me it comes down to this: If I buy a title, and pay a monthly fee..I want a challenge. WoW is easy as all hell. I also expect, for all the money WoW makes, some sort of higher end graphic settings for those who can use it...for petes sake even D&D Online had that! Again WoW graphics are lame. It an MMORPG, so writing and story telling is semi-important...but with writers like Christie Golden and Chris Metzen what we get could not even be considered sub-par.

I could go on. I despise the game, and its dominance in MMO's makes everyone compare it to the new ones. Which I understand, some things WoW has done really well...but at the same time, do we really want some WoW clone anyway?

Just me though. Games are for fun. If you have fun playing WoW, good on ya, I don't begrudge your good times one bit.

WoW did little for PC gaming imo. When it comes to system requirements, WoW is at the bottom of the barrel, people can play it just fine on low end systems. It was the first game to really make MMO's a successful and profitable venture though...which I think is good to a point.

But it really is low end, an "every man" game. It takes no skill whatsoever, is redundant even for an MMO and is addictive like crack to some people.

Me, I just found it too damn easy. The raids are a joke. The core population is young, rude, and unresponsive. And don't give me that "just get a good clan" bs. The graphics are kiddy to the point of being insulting. The writing is atrocious. Jeez what else...

Well for me it comes down to this: If I buy a title, and pay a monthly fee..I want a challenge. WoW is easy as all hell. I also expect, for all the money WoW makes, some sort of higher end graphic settings for those who can use it...for petes sake even D&D Online had that! Again WoW graphics are lame. It an MMORPG, so writing and story telling is semi-important...but with writers like Christie Golden and Chris Metzen what we get could not even be considered sub-par.

I could go on. I despise the game, and its dominance in MMO's makes everyone compare it to the new ones. Which I understand, some things WoW has done really well...but at the same time, do we really want some WoW clone anyway?

Just me though. Games are for fun. If you have fun playing WoW, good on ya, I don't begrudge your good times one bit.


Thing is I played MMOs for a long time and people just get tired of the grind. What WoW really did was say what can we do to bring more people into this playing experience and make it fun while not too boring because if it was boring than no one would play. You really cant put blizz down for makeing one of the biggest MMOs of all times. As for the graphics meh I play of my laptop so its all fine here. :cool:

Wow is evil because it devours peoples lives like a drug, and honestly the only reason why it does that is because it is simple enough that you dont really have to think to play it. WoW is single handedly aiding the dumbing down of america I think.

Okay now you guys are just bashing WoW for the sake of it. I mean the numbers dont lie. And even if its too easy who cares? Theres so much to do in the game your not going to do everything. Its a game. Have fun playing or dont play but dont knock it for being well done. BTW what game has even come close in the constant updated gameplay and overall better graphics that your calling for?

WoW is only evil if you let it be.

I was in a top end game raiding guild pre and post BC, and the main difference between time spent in WoW, and time spent on other games is the amount.

My guild ran 4 (sometimes even 5) times a week. With sessions usually going for no less than 5 hours.

The thing about WoW is that the end game content is very long. It's not something you can just pick up and then put down when you feel like it. Because there are 24 other people in there with you, you have to stay the distance.

I wouldn't say I wasted two years of my life, as I really did love the people I was raiding with, but I will say that now (having quit) I'm far better off without it.

I have some very fond memories of my time in WoW with my guild, but I want to keep them as just that, memories. I will never play WoW again.

BTW what game has even come close in the constant updated gameplay and overall better graphics that your calling for?
Tabula Rasa (http://www.rgtr.com/index.html) is definitely worth a look. Also Warhammer Online (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/home/index.php) if you want the usual "Spell and Sword" type MMO.
I can't say anything for Tabula Rasa as I wasn't in the beta, but I can say that Warhammer Online is looking awesome in the beta tests.

I'm not sure if you were actually thinking of taking up WoW. If you were, I would strongly suggest you don't. Not because it's "evil" as some people say, but just because it has been out for so long and the people playing it will be so far a head of you as far as knowledge goes.

I would suggest you wait for one of these new MMO's to come out and get in at the same time as everyone else.

Sorry for double post.

I think some of it is also Blizzard hate.

Personally I love the Warcraft series. I love the law, I love the characters, I love everything about it. WoW, is essentially killing that world.

Blizzard, in their quest for more $$$ is releasing expansion after expansion where non-hero-classes kill the main characters of the story.

In the Burning Crusade we've killed Lady Vashj, Kael'Thas, and of course Illidan. Next expansion they'll be killing off Arthus. After that, there is really nobody left except the Titans and such.

Blizzard will have killed Warcraft..

Okay now you guys are just bashing WoW for the sake of it. I mean the numbers dont lie. And even if its too easy who cares? Theres so much to do in the game your not going to do everything. Its a game. Have fun playing or dont play but dont knock it for being well done. BTW what game has even come close in the constant updated gameplay and overall better graphics that your calling for?

I'm not bashing, I dislike WoW, but I don't begrudge people their fun. That is the point. This thread is basically asking why those of us don't like WoW. Obviously tons of people do, and good on'em.

But if you want to single out graphics and gameplay, sure lets do that.

Graphics:
D&D Online has better graphics...it has a high end graphic setting you can choose to download or not...and D&D sucks. Tabula Rosa, WarHammer and Guild Wars have better graphics. RF Online does too. Final Fantasy XI, Vanguard...the list goes on and on. Ashenvale, or the Swamps of Sorrow, or the Scarlet Monastery which are so often used as examples of WoW graphics...please.

Gameplay:
Updated content has zero to do with gameplay. Do the updates add real challenges, or just more mindless ways to waste time? Do most of the milestones in WoW make any real difference? Nope. Is the fighting hyper repetitive? Yep sure is...despite all the new enemies, you still see the core 10 all the way up to lvl 60 and beyond, just buffed a bit more to make them harder to kill. Where are the challenging puzzles, multi layered decisions that effect the end of a quest? Few and far between thats where.

Even D&D Online (I use this since it really is badly done) changes up what you fight significantly between quests. Are there tons of quests that are basically the same? Heck ya. Thats not new, thats just a rehash of what we did a 100 times. Crafting? I like crafting...too bad it is almost useless...better stuff drops all the time, and I have yet to talk to the high end players packing crafted stuff vs what they picked up from auctions or quests. Killing x amount of "whatever creature" is not a quest, it's a chore. So is the lengthy travel time in a whole bunch of places...and updates just add more and more of the same.

And ya every MMO has some grind, and repetitive quests. But WoW has way more levels than it needs, and rinse/repeats stuff like crazy just to give the allusion of something new.

Just me...I won't try to convert people...time will do that for me.

Diablo, no offense or anything. If you enjoy it, I wish you all the best, and if you wanna discuss it more, thats cool too.

Well this is one thing I don't totally understand. The position I've been hearing is that MMORPGs, and were just pointing out WoW, are bad because they waste your time on doing stupid things like getting new pixels and killing the evil reincarnate of Lono. And these same people are saying that FPSs and RTSs etc arn't wasting your time? I mean, I love gaming and I don't think its a waste of time, but to the people that play WoW going around and killing other people could be just as much of a waste of time as a FPS player would think that WoW is a waste of time.

And face it, both are social and are very subjective, depending on what you like.

The BIG difference is that WoW takes control of your life.
You constantly want to upgrade your character.
There's a big difference for your character development between playing and not playing for a week.

FPS, RTS and the likes... well... you don't upgrade/level your character or get new gear etc...
So basically it doesn't matter as much wether you play 5hrs a week or 100hrs.

For WoW, it really does make a big difference.
This makes you want to play WoW a lot more than you really should.
Hence, it's a much bigger waste of time than any other type of game.

Actually you're making it sound as though it's less of a waste of time. In an MMO you have at least something to show for your effort, even if it is merely ingame content. As far as I know, the only thing you get from playing FPSes and RTSes are a few numbers, kill/death ratio or win/loss ratio. And nowadays Achievements are thrown into the mix. Problem with achievements are a lot of them aren't the most challenging, and the hardest ones don't seem worth trying. I mean,they are are fun to show off, but it's also fun to tear into that arrogant asshole with your lvl 70 epiced out character. It really is all about preferences into what you want to show for your time.

Sorry for double post.

I think some of it is also Blizzard hate.

Personally I love the Warcraft series. I love the law, I love the characters, I love everything about it. WoW, is essentially killing that world.

Blizzard, in their quest for more $$$ is releasing expansion after expansion where non-hero-classes kill the main characters of the story.

In the Burning Crusade we've killed Lady Vashj, Kael'Thas, and of course Illidan. Next expansion they'll be killing off Arthus. After that, there is really nobody left except the Titans and such.

Blizzard will have killed Warcraft..

No I think once the world has been purged of the Burning Legion the Alliance and Horde are going to look at each other and say "Soooo where did we leave off, I was killing your friends or burning your homes?"

PacManPolarBear sadly I am a WoW fanyboy. Its just I was brought up on Blizz games and it holds too many good memorys for me. XDDD But yea WoW shouldnt be played if you have a life.

Actually you're making it sound as though it's less of a waste of time.

My point is that WoW drags you away from important real life things.
While other gametypes tend not to be as addictive.

WoW actually wastes a lot more valuable time.
Not just the spare time you have, but also the time you should be spending on other things.

well i refuse to play it, so i can't really comment on in-game content, but i do know i used to have multiple friends that i used to physically hang out with all the time. one couple i've talked to once in the last 2 years. they didn't find out that i'd moved 2 states away until i had been gone for 4 months. i'm not kidding, 100% of their free time goes to WoW. now i'm not denying that it may be a good game, but there's a line that needs to be drawn with this. a game that does that to people (and don't even say that my friends are the minority, because they're not) should be either limited or non-existent.

Evil because some people think it killed PC gaming. I happen to think it revitalized it. Everyone upgraded their PC to play WoW, and thus could get the new titles that were out. Probably more background numbers to go with it as well.

The problem was when WoW came out, a lot of people abandonded whatever game they current played and went the WoW route. I knew plenty of clans who broke up or took losses because of it.

edit: Ok the explaination above works too.

upgraded their pc? wow runs like crap cmon.

I have been playing WoW for 2 and a half years and doing a podcast about it for two and I have always hated the argument that WoW is evil because it makes you leave all your freinds and loved ones and never go out side. The game does not force you to play and if people hate their own lives so much that they try to live in this fictional world then how if that the games fault?

All MMO's are designed to suck you in.

The end game content in any MMO is lengthy and requires you to devote a lot of time.

The reason WoW gets all the hate is because it's the largest MMO around. It has the most publicity (good, or bad). If you're wanting to diss an MMO, WoW is the easiest to do it on.

upgraded their pc? wow runs like crap cmon.
Agreed, WoW runs on pretty much anything/everything.
Hell, Blizzard even refuse to release the expansions on DVD in case there's some 10 year old gaming machine out there that's still only using CD-RW.

The only reason people like me bash WoW is that its so vulnerable to bashing. It's like the largest MMORPG in America! What is more vulnerable than that? If you go around bashing "Ninja Smoogles Online" then no-one will know what the hell you're talking about. WoW every gamer knows about.

The whole trouble with WoW is that it is not a skill based game, but a time-based one. Providing players can competently press keys on their keyboard and use a mouse, the only real thing that determines the outcome of a battle is how much time you have spent farming for gear.

Everything in WoW is a time sink and extremely repetitive. Grinding reputation. Farming gold. Endless instance running. Even PvP (player vs. player) has turned into a mindless grind.

I don't believe WoW is evil, but I do believe it can suck people in too easily. Having a total playtime of over 60 days I can speak from experience that you really have to play a lot in order to be competitive. Want to play 2 hours a day tops? Don't expect to win many PvP battles and don't expect to see much end-game content.

I'm glad I was able to finally cut myself off from the game and see what a waste of time it really was.

Btw hi Duncor, I used to listen to your podcast and very good it was too.

The only reason people like me bash WoW is that its so vulnerable to bashing. It's like the largest MMORPG in America! What is more vulnerable than that? If you go around bashing "Ninja Smoogles Online" then no-one will know what the hell you're talking about. WoW every gamer knows about.


the largest MMORPG in America , hmmm its the largets MMORPG in the world , expand your borders friend

Something I have been seeing on these forums is that Wow is evil. I have not played the game, but I would like to know why people think that?

ok first of all, its a fricken waste of time. got o.k graphics but not as good as like gears of war or halo or somin. my friend destroyed her relationship while playing wow... and it costs money.

- n00b

p.s. WoW is evil cuz it is....

No MMO this generation (and most probably next gen) can have graphics like Gears of War. The fact is there is way too much going on. Far too many players etc.

Imagine Iron Forge AH with GoW graphics. I doubt any PC could run that smoothly.

Raiding with 24 other people would be a nightmare to run as well.

Only fools let games like WoW destroy their real relationships. If you get so sucked into a game that you ignore all the reality around you and it ruins your life, obviously there was something wrong there to begin with, so I think help is needed above all else.

the largest MMORPG in America , hmmm its the largets MMORPG in the world , expand your borders friend

Ok, it's the largest mmorpg in the world. There, happy?

1. It's very very very boring
2. it'll take many many many hours of your life to level
3. It's completely pointless, it has no story line at all, you just bash monsters and level
4. To do all of the above you must pay 15 dollars a month
5. After you waste away your life getting to level 70, another installment will come out so you can waste more of you time getting to level 80, and is there a point HELL NAH
6. It's VERY VERY VERY VERY pointless

I hate it when people use the argument that it's pointless. Aren't all games pretty much pointless other than sources of entertainment? Does killing covenant in Halo somehow get rid of poverty? Does beating it on Legendary solve world hunger? Does headshotting people in any game get rid of war? No, no it doesn't, so it's all bloody pointless. But people play it anyway, because they have fun doing it.

6. It's VERY VERY VERY VERY pointless
The purpose for any game is simply to entertain. To say that one game is "pointless" while believing others have purpose (other than entertainment) is retarded.

Oh here's one, I showed friend Team Fortress 2 taday, and any question he gave me, and appearently the only gaming he ever experienced was WoW, so every question about the game he gave me was a comparison to WoW! I mean we were playing online (ofc) and he asks me if you can go PvP in TF2, and if you can level up and make you character better, and he also said that he didn't like it when you cant see yourself in game while playing... >_< so thats why I guess, WoW drives you away from any other gaming than it self, WoW...

I've also had a friend who's never played anything but WoW.

He wasn't anywhere near that bad though. He at least knew what the other genre's were and the basics of how they worked.

I'd have shot that friend of yours.

go ahead, he'll like it... hes emo :3

In that case, I'd let him live. Since apparently living is more painful for him.

ya I guess we can go with that