This was, hopefully, the last episode you will have to endure without Dave. Also, Paul Christy returns next week with all new Broken news Stories. In the meantime, here’s the thirteenth episode of the Sarcastic Gamer podcast.

We talked about:

* Tender hearted Alex
* The new website
* Scandal rocks the SG forums (Click Here)
* Classic SG news w/ Paul Christy (Paul returns next week)
* Lono Hearts Orange Box
* Alex gets competitive over Portal
* Why is Half Life 2 so popular?
* Your first console FPS
* Lono gets an official bedtime
* Mass Effect
* Game Informer credibility
* Are video games killing television?
* Housekeeping/Martini Time

You can subscribe (http://sarcasticgamer.com/podcast) to our podcast to get each new episode delivered directly to your computer, or download the show here. (http://sarcasticgamer.com/podcast)

Another great podcast guys. Thanks for the shoutouts Lono and Doc.:D


This one especially made me want to join in on the conversations. I could have contributed quite a bit on all the topics discussed.

Awesome Show . . .
But I kinda want to go vote for Lono now, cuz it was hilarious to hear Doc rant and rave about the poll results! jk Doc.
I can only hope our show will eventually be as good as yours!

Thanks Firemouth! Maybe you should make you sig bigger so you can get your name out? Just a thought...

:p

Another great show guys. :D!

I always feel the need to complain about your show so here we go:

1. Is the BGM getting louder? :\
2. Why is every bumper a plug for the website? :\

thanks for the response. what the hell is a bumper? The whole podcast is a commercial for the website dude...

The whole podcast is a commercial for the website dude...
WHAT??
You mean I've been listening to marketing device for the website???
I feel so used and dirty. Oh, the shame.

thanks for the response. what the hell is a bumper? The whole podcast is a commercial for the website dude...

I'm not a radio boy, but from what I understand its a transition piece between segments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_bumper

lono's still right... the podcasts (to my understanding) are to increase traffic on the forums and website, where you can, in a sense, join in on the topics covered.

I see. In that case I think you guys should make a bumper clearly stating that.
It would be kinda funny?

I see. In that case I think you guys should make a bumper clearly stating that.
It would be kinda funny?

Duly noted. Never thought we'd be discussing the bumpers on the forums.

The bg music always gets a little out of hand when I produce the show at home. Dave is going to produce the next show. We'll see if he can reign it in.

Guys, another top notch performance.

Lono, you seriously need to try Reaper, Binoni Woman and Chuck, you will not be disapointed. Plus Heroes is really starting to get into its groove, but it needs more Nikki :p

Hey Lono, I am a brand new PC Gamer. I just bought a brand new PC, and I don't ever plan to buy the Xbox 3-(rings of light) you hold in such high regard. PC gaming will not die when there are more PC's out there than any other system, and more people are playing PC games than consoles.

Hey Lono, I am a brand new PC Gamer. I just bought a brand new PC, and I don't ever plan to buy the Xbox 3-(rings of light) you hold in such high regard. PC gaming will not die when there are more PC's out there than any other system, and more people are playing PC games than consoles.

Yay for your new pc. More power to bring the SG Podcast into your home each and every week!

With regard to your PC "arguments" your facts are meaningless. The majority of pc gamers play pop cap games and bejeweled. Not Crysis and Company of Heroes. PC gaming has been on a downward trend for a couple of years, so I'm not breaking any new ground on the subject. N/t though.

You have a point but you never mentioned that hard core PC gaming is dying. You only said that PC Gaming is dying, and I still see my mother playing spider solitaire on her computer every day.

You have a point but you never mentioned that hard core PC gaming is dying. You only said that PC Gaming is dying, and I still see my mother playing spider solitaire on her computer every day.

C'mon dude. The context of those discussions were with regard to Crysis... You know that. You know what I meant. We weren't fretting over the latest solitaire expansion.... yet.

Now I suddenly remember something about Microsoft bragging about how Vista is going to be so amazing, and how amazing solitaire will look in the next-gen.

You guys like to make the distinction between hard-core and casual, and I strongly believe that if there was a better marketing campaign you could get all of those Myspace ****** to play PC games, but none of these developers are stepping up to the plate, except for Blizzard. Who happens to be doing a pretty good job of promoting World of Warcraft.

C'mon dude. The context of those discussions were with regard to Crysis... You know that. You know what I meant. We weren't fretting over the latest solitaire expansion.... yet.

I'm taking lono's side on this, the last game I played on my comp was minsweeper, and I think this is because
A. not too much hype for comp games (commercial and ad wise)
B. no need to upgrade your xbox every two months.

also great podcast so far, I'm only halfway through it.

nice show guys! I can get enough of the techno music intro of the new Minesweeper. I just keep starting a new game!

I just cant be doing with PC gaming anymore. The only reason I have a fairly powerful PC is for Photoshop/ video editing. Gaming wise its console all the way!

*goes back to Orange Box*

Orange box got a lot of hype. Crysis is getting some good hype. Bioshock got awesome hype. So it seems that really two out of three of these are also for the 360, but two out of three were really made for the PC (Half-Life 2) and weren't crippled. They still got hype. The other night I was playing a game of TF2 with some guys from another forum. There was a full server of them. Lets just wait for the NPD data (or whatever it is called) to come our way and then we shall see which version sold the best.

Man, I am so going to send Lono some articles. I've been wondering how to submit them; great move on your part... :p

mm, i like these packages that are being released, half life 2 had been out for a long time when i finally got it, if i hadnt got it free in a package i bought i would have never played it. so yeah i think the packages are important not for the good value but for getting people to play games they didnt think they would.
as for the sleep thing, im so on the same page lol, i find myself up late most nights screaming at my screen because some guy killed me. only to wake up the next morning and realise i got 3 hours of sleep and im off to university. i find it hard to put something down, the power of gaming is endless!!
great show guys, looking forward to the next one.

I game late because of insomnia.
I have insomnia because of gaming.

Good god, it's the chicken or the egg!!

Lonos the suck doc forever :).

BTW lono created about 200 accounts possibly :).

I got a question about the new site?...

Are the comments things suppose to replace the forum things for rothbart's rants or other articles?

I mainly ask because I can't find the stinking thread!!!

I don't know if it's the new forum layout, or my new antivirus software...but I can browse the forums a HELL of a lot faster now...thank god. It used to take like 10 minutes per page...per say my post count, lol. Anyway, great episode, never too much Lono...sorry Doc, I have to admit I voted for Lono. I mean, before the poll jumped to like 200 votes for Lono, he was still kicking @#$ in the poll...so even if he did make a bunch of accounts, I think he won anyways. To be honest, I never thought about getting a 360 until I listened to your guys' podcast...I'm getting one this Christmas now :D

Long first post...it was more like a review for random stuff than anything...

Thanks Dude!

No offense intended when i say this guys but why do I keep hearing the same news announcements repeated on the Podcasts?

doc makes one a week for all of the gamercast network shows.

Sweet. I Just cant get enough of em.

Sweet. I Just cant get enough of em.

Nice sarcasm. You'll fit in nicely here.:mad:

Sorry what i meant to ask was how come the news announcements by ?Paul Christy? keep getting repeated on the podcast...

Guess it didn't come out quite as i had planned...:o

Paul has been under the weather so we thought we'd bring back some older ones that new listeners may have missed. We'll have all new ones next week. Promise!

great show

Props on the show guys. What happened to the poll??? I tried to vote but the links have gone funky

Lono for president!!!!!

great podcast (again) but i have to say episode 12 was way better especially the part about the console cereal

Anyone told Lono to go to bed yet?
I did and was promptly told to "eff off" haha.

Huh, that was you.... *note to self* take shadowtech86 off friends list...

Great episode as always!

Sadly, anyone who tells you that is pretty hypocritical.
(Yep, including myself.)

Ok, two things...

First of all, Shadowtech, the pic of your Halo 3 MP as your avatar ROCKS.

Also, Lono, you know you rigged something somewhere, you should just go ahead and admit your transgressions now!

I think we could build a program that detects if lono is online past 12, and then kicks him off the internet for 8 hours, illegal, maybe, for the good of lono kind, definitely.

I think we could build a program that detects if lono is online past 12, and then kicks him off the internet for 8 hours, illegal, maybe, for the good of lono kind, definitely.

Tat would totally work. Seroiusly though, why is Lono on Xbox Live past 12 anyway?

If that's not completely obvious, leave.

I think we need to hire a big black guy that refers to himself in the third person as "Moe" on Sunday-Wednesday and "Joe" on Thursday-Saturday to watch Lono's every move and pinch him for every minute he's on Live. In the face. Hard.

Huh, that was you.... *note to self* take shadowtech86 off friends list...

Beat'cha to it!
My job is done anyway.

I voted for you in that poll Doc, if it makes you feel better. :P

Say what you want about PC gaming, but it will never be dead. But I agree that ATM it is dying like Lono said.

Half-life 2 is (to me) so popular because it is one of the few highly anticipated games out there that (once again, in my opinion) actually exceeded the enormous amount of hype around it. The reason it's so popular again is obviously because of the Orange Box, but more so because TOB is a 360 title, bringing the game to a console. Yeah, HL2 came out for the original Xbox, but it wasn't a very publicized release in my eyes, at least not to the average person that owned an Xbox. Now it's back and packaged in a bundle of amazing value, and it was hyped by console and PC gamers alike.

Too bad I haven't picked up my copy yet. :(


Anyway, Ep. 13 was yet another awesome podcast. Always good for a few laughs, and of course for the discussions themselves (serious or not). Keep up the great work, SG Staff!

Sadly, anyone who tells you that is pretty hypocritical.
(Yep, including myself.)

Not if they live on the west coast. Its all in the timezones

If that's not completely obvious, leave.

I think we need to hire a big black guy that refers to himself in the third person as "Moe" on Sunday-Wednesday and "Joe" on Thursday-Saturday to watch Lono's every move and pinch him for every minute he's on Live. In the face. Hard.
rofl please do. I'll pay his salary

I voted for you in that poll Doc, if it makes you feel better. :P

Say what you want about PC gaming, but it will never be dead. But I agree that ATM it is dying like Lono said.

Half-life 2 is (to me) so popular because it is one of the few highly anticipated games out there that (once again, in my opinion) actually exceeded the enormous amount of hype around it. The reason it's so popular again is obviously because of the Orange Box, but more so because TOB is a 360 title, bringing the game to a console. Yeah, HL2 came out for the original Xbox, but it wasn't a very publicized release in my eyes, at least not to the average person that owned an Xbox. Now it's back and packaged in a bundle of amazing value, and it was hyped by console and PC gamers alike.

Too bad I haven't picked up my copy yet. :(


Anyway, Ep. 13 was yet another awesome podcast. Always good for a few laughs, and of course for the discussions themselves (serious or not). Keep up the great work, SG Staff!

I believe I have figured out what Lono did..... or rather orchestrated. I am not saying anything until I have the proof.

Lono for president!!!!!

Omg! Lono is running?! You just earned my vote sir :D
But yeah, there's something big missing without Paul Cristy...get better man! We need ya!

EDIT: Oops, didn't realize I didn't read all the pages :p

I believe I have figured out what Lono did..... or rather orchestrated. I am not saying anything until I have the proof.

My bet is on he either changed the polling numbers, or allowed himself to vote multiple times without a paper trail.

Or he threatened to sue some minimum wage dude that just so happens to be a master hacker unless he hacked into the SG forums and changed the poll numbers just to make the gap between him and Doc go from 50 to 10 to 200 to 20 or something like that.

PC Gaming won't die because you just can't play a good RTS with a controller.

Alright alright, first time poster here. And after two episodes of the "PC gaming is dying" non-sense I have to say something about it.

How many console generations have we been through, and every time a new one starts, the critics come on and say "Oh, PC gaming is dead, the consoles are doing the same things the PCs are doing." And then 2 years later they're eating crow when something huge comes out for the PC. I bet by next holiday season we'll have something on PC that console people will just have to dream about till their next console can play the 3 year old decent port of it. *cough* Half-life 2 *cough*

I remember back when PC gaming was dead when the PS1 and PS2 came out. And if PC's been dead since the PS1, well then it's a lively corpse.

And if we're going to talk about price of entry, I got a PC just this last month for $1600. And yes, that is a lot of money, but in comparison with consoles how big of a difference is it really?

Let's add it up. Let's say you buy a console, we'll say it's $400 (low PS3, high 360). Now let's buy an HDTV, a cheap Visio 32" for $600. Let's go get an extra 3 controllers, because I have friends, $150. How about a headset? $50. Xbox Live? $50. Wireless adapter for 360? $100.

Right now, that's about $1350 to get even close to the functionality of a PC in a console, not to mention the games are $10-$20 cheaper at release for PC.

Also, my $1600 PC will be able to run Crysis, and how many 360's can do that? And the back catalog of PC games is basically a video game hall of fame. Plus, the multitude of useful things a PC can do in everyday life, but... we don't need to get into that.

And if price really is an issue, you can EASILY get a PC that can play games like Bioshock for less than even the $1350 entrance fee for a good console gaming experience.

Plus, PC usually gets the superior versions of most console games. Gears of War with more levels, and multi-player maps, only for PC? Count me in.

Not to mention that RTS games are nearly unplayable on consoles, and FPS games are a slow and lethargic experience. Halo Jesus? More like Grandpa Halo as slow as the gameplay is. I can only begin to imagine how terrible the bastardization of Unreal Tournament III for PS3 is going to be.

Now, I didn't come to convert anyone, I'm a console gamer myself of course. I have a 360 and a Wii, and as soon as that PS3 comes down to $400, I'll pick one of them up too. I have a library of almost 400 games. But in the end, I usually buy these consoles for maybe 4 or 5 good games that I can't get on PC, almost half the games I own are on PC, and I don't buy crappy games either, only the good stuff. And I've only been PC gaming since 2004!

I'm just saying, with its back catalog that can be played on most machines you buy today plus its many other functions, and being on the bleeding edge as far as gaming goes, I can't see PC gaming dying. Madden, Resident Evil, Metal Gear, Halo, Final Fantasy, KOTOR, Gears of War, Call of Duty, Unreal, Starcraft, Half-life, there's only one place where I can play them all...

Anyone else besides me want the $1350 package over the $1600 one?

Anyone else besides me want the $1350 package over the $1600 one?

Dude, I agree, that's no comparison. I'd much rather have a nice gaming/entertainment system than a $1600 computer mainly to play 1 game.

I always listen to the podcast when I am working, I save them a few days so that I can have one good spot to a long work day. Hilarious as always. And thanks for the shout out for my article in the podcast, made my day, seriously.

I just can't go back to listening to some of the other podcasts out there, they just seem so below par in comparison. The only exceptions being some I find on gamercast.

Another great show all, great job.

Note: My PC is hooked up to an LCD HDTV, with surround sound, and a very comfy chair. So if we're talking about a nice audio/visual set up, any one with half a brain can figure out how to plug a PC into a TV.

I just can't see how anyone could prefer consoles over PC. Like the logic behind it.

I just can't see how anyone could prefer consoles over PC. Like the logic behind it.

I'm not sure you understand the definition of "logic." You wrote this earlier:

And if we're going to talk about price of entry, I got a PC just this last month for $1600. And yes, that is a lot of money, but in comparison with consoles how big of a difference is it really?

The "difference" is about $1200 bucks. It's science!

Look, I don't think this is a "preference" argument as much as it is a "reality" argument. PC gaming is dying. If you don't believe me, take a look at the pc gaming sales numbers.

It's not up to me dude, it's reality. You love PC gaming? Good for you. Will PC go away entirely? Probably not. Multi-platform games will still come out for the PC. Are anymore games going to be developed strictly for the PC like Crysis, excluding MMO's? Maybe, but they're as hard to find as a good "Dave" ending to our show. New games are being developed for the consoles. This is what is leading to a decline in PC gaming. Period.

I hope you didn't spend $1600 bucks in vain.

Anyone else besides me want the $1350 package over the $1600 one?
How about we go with my $1000 dollar machine. Still better than those consoles and cheaper. I must say sn4tch i actually wrote a similiar peice on the IGN Vestibule once. May you have seen it there?

Anyone else besides me want the $1350 package over the $1600 one?

I'm making due with a $150 21" LCD monitor (1080p) and a $120 Yamaha 5.1 system (optical). a Sub-$300 setup is just fine for my little apartment at university. Oh and did I mention I have a sweet couch to game on? Everyone needs a comfortable couch for gaming.

It's not up to me dude, it's reality. You love PC gaming? Good for you. Will PC go away entirely? Probably not. Multi-platform games will still come out for the PC. Are anymore games going to be developed strictly for the PC like Crysis, excluding MMO's? Maybe, but they're as hard to find as a good "Dave" ending to our show. New games are being developed for the consoles. This is what is leading to a decline in PC gaming. Period.

Considering that my favorite developers are mostly PC exclusive, I don't think I have much to worry about. (Valve, Epic, and Blizzard) Yes, Epic and Valve recently are releasing games for 360 and PS3, but Epics bread and butter is Unreal, and the way that game works, I just can't imagine it working well with anything but PC. Plus, Cliffy B. has stated that he does not like the Xbox Live model, and prefers to work with PC. Gabe Newell (Valve CEO) has said many MANY times, that he thinks all consoles are trash heaps and can't stand working on 360 or PS3.

I think in the end, PC developers will continue delivering quality products to the PC first, and letting companies like EA publish the crippled ports to the consoles, so they can make their money on inferior products. Since it is relatively easy to port a PC version down to console.

How about we go with my $1000 dollar machine. Still better than those consoles and cheaper. I must say sn4tch i actually wrote a similiar peice on the IGN Vestibule once. May you have seen it there?

I've seen someone post a $700 setup that can run Bioshock on settings about as good as it runs on the 360. I've never seen yours, I think it's just that anyone who is a current PC gamer understands and sees the same thing. PC gaming has been declared dead a number of times, usually right before it surges again.

I've seen someone post a $700 setup that can run Bioshock on settings about as good as it runs on the 360.

Did you just see that thing that fell off of me? I don't even know what that is.

I see PC gaming as if it's going through its own little Great Depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression).
The PC fans are bringing the fight in hopes their war economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_economy) will bring them out. ;)

It's just the same things you hear every time a new console generation comes out. PC is dead... we're all doomed... blah blah blah... Half-Life 3? PC LIVES AGAIN!

There's always a depression, and it only lasts a year, maybe two. But God forbid that somebody doesn't come out an declare PC gaming dead... AGAIN.

I was just reading an article that was saying "With the Xbox coming out, and looking to be just as powerful as a PC, it looks like PC gaming might have its foot in the grave. "

Note: Xbox, 1, uno... they said it back then... what's the difference now?

It's old...

Considering that my favorite developers are mostly PC exclusive, I don't think I have much to worry about. (Valve, Epic, and Blizzard) Yes, Epic and Valve recently are releasing games for 360 and PS3, but Epics bread and butter is Unreal, and the way that game works, I just can't imagine it working well with anything but PC. Plus, Cliffy B. has stated that he does not like the Xbox Live model, and prefers to work with PC. Gabe Newell (Valve CEO) has said many MANY times, that he thinks all consoles are trash heaps and can't stand working on 360 or PS3.

Hello reality? Hi! Meet Sn4tch. He's living in 2004. He must be, because he's never heard of Gears of War (Epic, and your favorite Cliffy B) Unreal tournament III (Epic) or orange box/Left 4 Dead (valve and your fave Gabe newell).

Huh.... wierd.

No, you're right. PC gaming isn't going downhill, you've obviously proved me wrong.

As a PC gamer, I'm a bit inclined to agree with Sn4tcH here, but the price difference....yeah, not so much. No matter how you look at it, PC gaming will almost always come out as the more expensive one...I mean, in your argument, you forgot about the price of internet as well. However, I highly doubt that PC gaming will ever die for quite a while simply because of RTS's like Starcraft. Personally, I play both consoles and a PC, and I love them both. Price is an issue, which is why I have to be strict about which games to buy. I only have like a 40 game library or something...

I'll conceed to your point, Lono...a lot of great games are being developed for consoles. I'd also like to add to your argument that PC gaming is being totally screwed by Vista...I mean, a lot of great games require Vista. I despise Vista, Microsoft should never have released it. Because of that, I can see how PC gaming could slowly kill itself. We would eventually be forced to upgrade to Vista...but I see that as a downgrade from XP. For example...Halo 2. It was released for PC, but unfortanately, Vista-only. This isn't based on any facts whatsoever, but I'm willing to bet that Halo 2 on the PC did not sell nearly as well as it did on the console.

A bit two-sided...The truth is, I agree with both arguments.

I am a PC gamer for life. I think it highly unlikely I will get a console this generation. I love my PC more than all the cool console titles in the world.

But arguing that PC gaming is not taking a serious beating, or that consoles will, rather are, the dominate gaming platform is just asinine. Will PC gaming die? Nope, will never happen...there will always be a market for the bleeding edge. There will always be PC games because all games are made on a PC first..whether they are designed for a console or not. Devs may focus on consoles more, but I have no doubt they still want to see their titles at their very best, and that can only be achieved on a PC.

Lono is right, the glory days of PC gaming are over, and unlikely to return. Does that mean we will have less games? Probably. Does that mean we will have worse games? Nope..if anything it means that those games that do come to PC are gonna be straight up bad ass. I think for the next while anyway you will see a great deal of cross platform releases...after seeing the difference between Gears Of War on 360 and PC...I'm cool with that.

Hello reality? Hi! Meet Sn4tch. He's living in 2004. He must be, because he's never heard of Gears of War (Epic, and your favorite Cliffy B) Unreal tournament III (Epic) or orange box/Left 4 Dead (valve and your fave Gabe newell).

And again, I did say that Cliffy said he didn't like the Xbox Live model, which is why Unreal Tournament III is headed over to PS3 with the free PSN and PC and not the 360.

As for Gabe Newell... here (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7422&Itemid=61)

He says very clearly what he thinks of the PS3, and that he even shipped off the port of Orange Box to EA, so he wouldn't have to touch the thing.

And finally, Gears of War is getting a better version for the PC... More levels, more multiplayer maps... etc.

And Left4Dead is being published by Valve, but Turtle Rock Studios is developing it... So Gabe has nothing to do with it besides helping those guys get it out to the public.

But hey hey... I sound elitist, and it always ends up this way. I do prefer the PC to consoles because my options are much wider. But I do have consoles, I love Metal Gear Solid, Metroid Prime, Zelda, Silent Hill. I have no qualms against consoles at all. Obviously I had to start somewhere.

And admittedly, consoles do sell tons more than PC games. Consoles are the easier way to go. Plus people get turned off by something as silly as not taking the time to figure out a mouse and keyboard.

But I mean to call PC gaming dead, when World of Warcraft alone generates in a year what Halo 3 will probably ever hope to make. Not to mention that developers create their games on a PC and then port them to 360 using XNA because it's easier than just doing it with a normal dev kit.

So, yeah, Consoles gaming has always outsold, PC games. It's a fact, but it's never killed PC gaming. Why would it now?

Also, I would like to see the NPDs on digital downloads, since sales on something like Steam don't go on there. And personally, I buy every PC game I can off of Steam.

And admittedly, consoles do sell tons more than PC games. Consoles are the easier way to go. Plus people get turned off by something as silly as not taking the time to figure out a mouse and keyboard.

Naw, that doesn't sound eliteist at all... Mah Daddy neva lerned me da mousy and keyboardy thang...

Naw, that doesn't sound eliteist at all... Mah Daddy neva lerned me da mousy and keyboardy thang...

Dah....I stile havvent figgered out all dem 16 diff'rent clickity thangs on mah controller fer halos 3 uh huh!

the debate still rages on huh?

http://www.mobygames.com/featured_article/feature,11/section,46

PC gaming pronounced dying...in 2001

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24383

48% surge of PC game sales this year

And, finally, from buisnessweek:

Analysts (both professional and amateur) lined up to declare the platform dead. But there was a more sophisticated analysis to be made, and it pointed to continuing opportunity in the PC space.

Relying on NPD's number blinds one to the ongoing evolution of PC game distribution.

Meaning lower NPD numbers aren't accurate. Direct2Drive...Steam...all these services aren't covered.

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Anyway, not much point in arguing when both sides can't find a middle ground: PC gaming IS weaker now than it was 10 years ago, sure, but 4-5 years from now PCs will still be around and people will still be having this argument when the next generation of consoles rolls around.

this is a debate that will never be solved... although somebody could probably merge all 5 billion threads about this and we could just have one big discussion....

OR

maybe we could have a battle like in anchorman???

The same rules apply. No punching in the face area...

Oh and BTW, have fun with your spyware PC gamers!

Spywear FTL! Go PC Gamers Go!

hahaha, i remember the whole commotion that happened because of the "spyware" that was in BF2142... it was pretty lame, but not to the extent that people were making it out to be.

just you wait lono... people will create viruses for these nextgen consoles...

I killed a guy with a trident.

Plus people get turned off by something as silly as not taking the time to figure out a mouse and keyboard.

That or the fact that even with all the right specs there is a 50/50 chance the game wont play due to errors and drivers etc

^ Thats a huge generalization...50/50? I have not purchased a PC game in years that had that problem. If you actually do have the specs to run the game, but it won't run, it is more likely your fault than the games. Individual bugs, and problems with drivers do exist...but any PC gamer who can't take a minute to update their drivers before starting a new release isn't a PC gamer.

haha well i never claimed that as fact ;)

Yeah dont get me wrong, Im sure it is my fault...i just cant be arsed to fix it and thus will get it for the console.

Haha I totally get that...PC gaming does have a lions share of gaming annoyances.

haha well i never claimed that as fact ;)

Yeah dont get me wrong, Im sure it is my fault...i just cant be arsed to fix it and thus will get it for the console.

I'm the opposite, personally. I like the customization that can be done with games on a PC. I just don't like the price point.

I'll probably be a PC gamer more when I'm older and have a bit of money to throw around. But for now I'm sticking with consoles because given my budget they're good enough.

I strongly considered upgrading my PC instead of buying a 360 with my Christmas money last year. In that situation Halo 3 was quite literally a system seller: it was the main thing that made my decision. Not that I don't use my 360 for other games, but a lot of console games have PC versions and Halo 3 was a specific exclusive that I wanted.

Hell, if I were rich enough I'd even buy a PS3 so I could get FFXIII whenever it comes out. But at the moment the PS3 has so much trouble gaining momentum that I would have to have a lot of spare cash to justify buying it. There's just not much value there IMO.

Halo 3 will come out for PC eventually though, but it doesn't have even near the popularity on PC as it does on consoles. And most PC gamers shun Halo and such, so it doesn't get the community it gets on consoles.

Personally, one thing that keeps me playing PC games are the mod communities. I probably have almost 30 more games if you consider mods another game.

I mean they make some awesome ones too. Like the big deal people made about Forge, heck I like it better when it was called Garrys Mod (http://www.garrysmod.com/) :p

But yeah, I mean that's one big sticking point for PC gaming. You buy one game for $50, and you end up getting like 10 more before the life span is over. Check this (http://moddb.com/) out, it's the mod database.

If there were mods for console games, chances are I still wouldn't play them.
Just too many cool new games to play!

I generally get sick of games in a week... low attention span. Very few have held my attention for longer than that, and those that do, usually do for hundreds of hours.

im the exact opposite tosn4tch most games amuse me for ages but those that dont i just plain dont like.

lono, i heart orange box to, i love it to death, AND i dont even own it yet. i played it at my mates place and the games just got me hooked
also, i think your right, we all love portal so much is because its making us think while we play

I like to compare PC Gaming to a car. The PC is more powerful than an PS3, or Xbox 360, In the same way a Ferrari is more powerful than a BMW. In episode 12, Lono stated the price point of a PC outrules it for gaming. Does the price point of a Ferrari outrule it for driving? Sure, it may cost more, but your getting a MORE POWERFUL piece of kit for your money. (Also, with overclocking you can make an $800 rig more powerful than a $1500 rig, so corners can be cut for that ultra machine).

Doc, you had a hard time vsing the Frag Dolls on PC. Why? Because your used to auto aim. Not sure about other people, but I myself prefer me playing the game, not the game playing itself. Crackdown. I'm watching my friend play this game, and he is just hammering his left trigger and snapping to the enemy, then clicking the right one for a kill! That's not playing a game! Thats hitting two buttons until everyone falls down. Halo 3. My friend LOVES his Halo. Good for him, it's a good game. I'm vsing him, I have my Battle Rifle up, fiddling with this control stick thing, aim it near his body, and my xhair starts suddenly moving up to his head. I'm not aiming it, my controllers possessed! Get me Derek Acora! Maybe this phantom of the gamepad has secrets, like Halo 4 to be released! Xbox 460 announced! I'm sniping in Resistance:Fall of Man, I shoot someone in the shoulder, and I get a headshot! Console gamers are so used to their games playing themselves, when they play a PC game they are sitting there, with the crosshair on the body, waiting for that auto aim to kick in.

Now, I'm off to play a 32 man game of Team Fortress 2:p

I like to compare PC Gaming to a car. The PC is more powerful than an PS3, or Xbox 360, In the same way a Ferrari is more powerful than a BMW. In episode 12, Lono stated the price point of a PC outrules it for gaming. Does the price point of a Ferrari outrule it for driving? Sure, it may cost more, but your getting a MORE POWERFUL piece of kit for your money. (Also, with overclocking you can make an $800 rig more powerful than a $1500 rig, so corners can be cut for that ultra machine).

Doc, you had a hard time vsing the Frag Dolls on PC. Why? Because your used to auto aim. Not sure about other people, but I myself prefer me playing the game, not the game playing itself. Crackdown. I'm watching my friend play this game, and he is just hammering his left trigger and snapping to the enemy, then clicking the right one for a kill! That's not playing a game! Thats hitting two buttons until everyone falls down. Halo 3. My friend LOVES his Halo. Good for him, it's a good game. I'm vsing him, I have my Battle Rifle up, fiddling with this control stick thing, aim it near his body, and my xhair starts suddenly moving up to his head. I'm not aiming it, my controllers possessed! Get me Derek Acora! Maybe this phantom of the gamepad has secrets, like Halo 4 to be released! Xbox 460 announced! I'm sniping in Resistance:Fall of Man, I shoot someone in the shoulder, and I get a headshot! Console gamers are so used to their games playing themselves, when they play a PC game they are sitting there, with the crosshair on the body, waiting for that auto aim to kick in.

Now, I'm off to play a 32 man game of Team Fortress 2:p

Hey, thanks for your comments, glad you like the show! :D

But, dang... I'm starting to believe that pc fanboys are getting worse than Halo fanboys...

For the record, everyone on the show is a pc gamer. Doc was just commenting on how we were used to Rainbow six vegas on the console (it doesn't have auto aim, FYI) and the first time playing it on the PC was vsing the fragdolls who are champ pc gamers....

Oh yeah, and that's not how auto aiming works in consoles, so yer full of it.

Oh and we only lost by two kills to the FD's so suck it.:p

Yeah, the show is great. But Doc did say that he couldn't hit a thing. I haven't played Vegas on the 360, so im not sure

i find pc gaming hard because you have to stretch your fingers over the keboard and the mouse makes the cross hair move to fast thats why i play FPS games and pretty much every over game on my ps3

You can change the mouse sensitivity drewmon ;)

I'm not sure you understand the definition of "logic." You wrote this earlier:



The "difference" is about $1200 bucks. It's science!

Look, I don't think this is a "preference" argument as much as it is a "reality" argument. PC gaming is dying. If you don't believe me, take a look at the pc gaming sales numbers.

It's not up to me dude, it's reality. You love PC gaming? Good for you. Will PC go away entirely? Probably not. Multi-platform games will still come out for the PC. Are anymore games going to be developed strictly for the PC like Crysis, excluding MMO's? Maybe, but they're as hard to find as a good "Dave" ending to our show. New games are being developed for the consoles. This is what is leading to a decline in PC gaming. Period.

I hope you didn't spend $1600 bucks in vain.
yes lono but how much is an xbox 360 game compared to a pc game also pc resives lot more games than a 360 yearly and most of them are 8+ even if you don't include emultors and stuff.

I don't know, Lono, the Assault Rifle in Halo 3 has an auto-aim. Then again, that's pretty much the only weapon I use when I play...

Hi,

Long time listener, first time poster etc.

Not felt the need to get involved before but I just wanted to pick Lono up on one small point from episode 13.

When you said that Gordon Freeman was a "faceless" character...

Cough
http://www.artofwarcentral.com/images/games/Half_life_2_box.jpg

Ahem
http://www.halflifeportal.com/images/gotyfull.jpg

Etc.
http://www.vpd.fi/kuvat/pc_halflife_2_orange_box.jpg


Keep up the good work.

He meant that he never talks. Durr durr.

haha no offence ubermod but how didnt you understand that?

I get that Freeman is meant to be some mysterious character, but he isn't. "Faceless" isn't the same as "Silent"

Lono actually said something like "he's a faceless, silent character, the lack of Freemans identity adds to the immersion and connection to the game" or words to that effect.

The "who is Freeman, what does he look like?" thing was around Half Life One where the first release had a cover which just a logo on.

The idea that Freeman is a mystery persists, he isn't a mystery, his face might not appear in-game, but have a glance at the box. His face has been on it since HL1 Game of the Year Edition.

This was the first episode I listened to, Went into iTunes podcasts and seen it,Having seen the Gamerpic and heard the parodies. I thought mayaswell listen :) I did and got hooked ;) I went back and downloaded everyother epidsode and listen to all the new ones :D

Great job guys, Always come out with some intresting comments :)

This was the first episode I listened to, Went into iTunes podcasts and seen it,Having seen the Gamerpic and heard the parodies. I thought mayaswell listen :) I did and got hooked ;) I went back and downloaded everyother epidsode and listen to all the new ones :D

Great job guys, Always come out with some intresting comments :)

Thanks man, I'm glad you went back and listened to the earlier episodes, it will pay off, we promise. Except for that first episode. I wasn't in that one so it's dead to me. :p

Thanks man, I'm glad you went back and listened to the earlier episodes, it will pay off, we promise. Except for that first episode. I wasn't in that one so it's dead to me. :p

Yea it did feel a bit weird without your famous catchphrase "This is Lono" :D

You guys do a great job :) Best Podcast.

Yeah, I came into the forum guns blazing. Didn't even take time out to say, your podcast is awesome. Even though we may not always agree on things, that's what being a gamer is all about... arguing on internet forums... :p

Thanks man, I'm glad you went back and listened to the earlier episodes, it will pay off, we promise. Except for that first episode. I wasn't in that one so it's dead to me. :p

i agree...pwnage on episode 1!!!!oh, and go to bed lono...

Seriously loving these podcasts. Perfect remedy for a sad or crappy day. Listening to a bunch of geeks chat about games has never been so rad.

Keep up the good work. And I agree that Doc should get a PS3. I played mine today for the first time in weeks. It was epic.

I am so glad that I discovered this podcast, it was completely by accident that I stumbled on it in iTunes. The gods of Gaming look after their acolytes after all...

hery all, make sureyou send lono to bed!